Wednesday, May 15, 2013

Nine Friends on Timeline: Stalkers, Crushes, and Where Those Nine Come From

11/12/2013 UPDATE:  NEW POST!  The algorithm has changed, as of November 2013.  The most recent theories can now be found HERE

Well, well, it's been quite a discussion over on the first post covering this topic - so much so that I thought, for ease of information access, it was time to summarize our observations and theories regarding Facebook's nine friends box on the new, updated Timeline.

What we know for sure right now:  

1.  The only reason anyone is interested in this subject is because they want to know if their crush is stalking them.  (No judgment here; that is precisely the reason I became interested in Facebook friend selection long ago.)

2.  Sorry, you can't tell if your crush is stalking you.

(I know, I know, we've had a few anomalous reports that suggest otherwise, but I'm going to walk us through it and discuss confirmation bias along the way.)

One thing that cannot be denied is that the algorithm that Facebook uses to determine the nine profiles that show up on a person's Timeline is complicated, enough so that there is no clear-cut, across-the-board, definitive methodology to determining who will show up on your list and who won't.

But there are a few things that are unquestionably influential.

- People listed as "close friends" will get priority ranking.  Conversely, people listed as "acquaintances" will not show up in your nine.

- People listed as "family members" will also be prioritized, though how, exactly, these people are filtered in and out remains a mystery.

- For everyone else in your nine, your interactions are the primary (though we can't conclusively say sole) determinant of positioning.

And perhaps most importantly of all...

- Facebook has a memory.

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I will fall on the sword of dignity here and offer my own case as an example.  A couple of years ago, I became friends with a guy I had a crush on and I stalked him.  Hard.  I went through every damn picture on that poor boy's page.  Hell, I'd be surprised if he didn't feel physically violated by the things I did to his profile.

Then one day (this was the pre-Timeline era, by the way), I was luxuriously relaxing my way through a nice morning of stalking when I noticed my picture on the side of his profile; I was one of the twenty friends that rotated with each refresh over on the left of his page.  Hmmm, I thought, that's interesting.  The next day, out of curiosity, I checked again, and lo and behold, I was still there.  And then again the next day.  And on the fourth day, OH MY GOD, I WAS THERE BECAUSE I WAS STALKING HIM AND FACEBOOK KNEW IT AND HE PROBABLY DID, TOO.

After coming close to dying of embarrassment, and then quickly recovering because I realized I didn't care (I have no shame), I started researching the subject, and made note that he was in my twenty as often as I was in his.  Was this because he was stalking me, too?  Or was my activity alone responsible?  I never got a chance to dig very deep because Timeline happened.  And then he started dating someone else.  And then I stopped stalking him.

But he never left my profile.  He stayed right there in my Top 25 (see this entry).  For months.

Much as my ego would like to think that he was secretly Facebook-pining for me despite being happily ensconced in his new relationship, I theorized that it was far, far more likely that he stayed in my Top 25 because I had done such a bang-up job indicating my interest in him to Facebook on the front end that it was going to be a very long time before anyone caught up to him.

I use this example because it mirrors what many of you have reported back to me:  people that you used to stalk have been sticking around in unusually high places in your friends rankings even after months - in some cases close to a year - of non-activity on your part.  You've also been experimenting with stalking and/or messaging/commenting with people you never interact with to see if you can get them to show up in your nine, and for the most part, those people do eventually make an appearance, but they're often low on the list and usually quickly replaced.

Zuckerberg never forgets.
What does this mean?  It seems to mean that Facebook is basing its rankings on a very long time scale of your activity.

And your activity can be hard for you to be an impartial judge of, which is where confirmation bias comes into play.  You may think you're keeping your hands clean, but every move you make on Facebook is tracked.  It's not just writing on a person's wall or sending them a message.  Every time you click on a picture in your newsfeed, that counts as an “interaction.”  So does clicking on a posted link. And hovering your cursor over their name in the mini-feed. And yes, visiting their profile. All of that counts.

I say this because, from personal experience, it can be tempting to think you're seeing something that must be the result of someone else's behavior when, in reality, what you may actually be seeing is the result of a click (or two, or twelve) that you forgot about...

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We have had at least one example of someone (via a planned experiment) moving up in someone's nine after a single profile view after a period of inactivity.  However, this person was already in the nine...

We have also had confirmation of someone admitting to stalking someone but being nowhere near her nine.  (Also, I know of people who stalk me [they often give themselves away by creepily referencing things to me in person that are deeply buried in my profile] and none of them have touched my nine.)

And what does that mean?  It seems to mean that mutual activity plays a role, but your activity matters much more than anyone else's. 

For those looking to dig a little deeper, there are other places to find rankings of your Facebook friends.  One is this bookmarklet (which, warning, only works for profiles with Graph Search), a somewhat sobering numerical representation of your Facebook activity.  (Interestingly, people you aren't friends with, but whose profiles you visit, are ranked alongside your friends.)

And then there is the PiliApp ranking, which may (or may not) be the same as your chat list.

Both appear to be independent of the nine.

IN CONCLUSION, the nine friends on your Facebook Timeline are your close friends, your family members, the people you interact with the most, and the people you stalk (or at least used to).  And the major common denominator is that it's you driving these classifications. 

Please feel free to refute me if you have conflicting evidence!  I hope the conversation continues...in fact, complicated as it all appears to be on the surface, if this is really something that I can sum up in a single blog entry then I'm going to be a little disappointed...

336 comments:

  1. According to that App Ranking... You're my 4th best friend

    Stop Stalking me!

    - Not Jake (Beej)

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    1. You're number 13. WHY DON'T YOU STALK ME MORE, HUH?

      (That is very interesting that we rank so highly for each other considering our infrequent interactions. I see this as further proof that Facebook "remembers" that we have a history of messaging back and forth. I don't think I've looked at your profile since the last time I sent you a message...OR HAVE I?!) (No, I haven't.)

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  2. I worked at the beginning of 2012 for an employment agency, just during 1 month. I stopped, because I didn't want to work for them anymore. They called me all the time during that year. But I didn't answer.
    3 weeks ago they called me again. I told them that I wasn't interested .
    I looked at my piliap list maybe 2 weeks after , and that agency was at the top.... coincidence? I don't think so. They were in my friends list yes , but I NEVER look at their profile. We don't have friends common....

    Here is another experiment, not mine:

    "Beginning on December 5th, 2012 several hours after sundown and ending on December 7, 2012 at approximately 4:00 p.m. an experiment the alleged list of “facebook stalkers” began. For those who are not aware (this will be posted to comments and sent in PMs) the way to access the alleged “facebook stalkers” list is to right click on your FB page, click “view page source”, and ,using the function Ctrl+F, search “orderedfriends”. A line or two down there will be a long list of numbers between quotation marks. Each of these represents a facebook profile. If you were to take one of these numbers and enter it where marked (X), facebook.com/X, you will be sent to the profile that corresponds with that number. The hypothesis being tested in this experiment is that this list of numbers, or profiles, represents the list of people who visit your page the most.
    Method: The participants were two facebook users. One of the participants (Participant J.R.) was the researcher, and the other participant (Participant A.A.) was a “facebook friend” of the researcher. This relationship was necessary to conduct the experiment and did not skew or coerce the results in any way. J.R. visited the facebook of A.A. over the span of approximately two day an estimated 200 times while A.A. did not visit the facebook page of J.R.
    Results: At the beginning of the experiment J.R. was 25th on A.A.’s “Facebook stalker” list. By the end of the experiment J.R. was 2nd on A.A.’s “Facebook stalker” list. At the beginning of the experiment A.A. was 89th on J.R.’s “Facebook stalker” list. At the end of the experiment A.A. was 90th on J.R.’s “Facebook stalker” list.
    Discussion: The data leads me to conclude that the “Facebook stalker” list does in fact list who visits one’s facebook page the most. The data supports the hypothesis of the experiment. The data is evidence against the argument that the “Facebook stalker” list is a list of people you have the most interactions with (interaction including visiting their page, PMing, or posting on walls) because A.A.’s rank on J.R.’s “Facebook stalker” list dropped from 89 to 90. If the hypothesis that the list is a list of people you interact with the most then A.A.’s rank on J.R.’s “Facebook stalker” list should have risen. There are some variables that were not measured, for instance the overall facebook use of A.A. and J.R. For future researcher I think a more controlled experiment is necessary. Perhaps an experiment with two new facebook profiles with a smaller amount of friends and prior interactions. The overall use of the facebook profiles should also be controlled in the experiment."

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    1. Ps: orderedfriends list and piliap list are the same.

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    2. One thing that I forgot to mention in this overly-long entry is that there seems to be a delay in the PiliApp list. Your experience, combined with the experiment you posted, make a really compelling case for stalking making an impact on the list.

      And yet what I've observed is that sometimes profiles shoot up in ranking, then fall way back down, then move back up and stay there. I'd be really interested in how A.A.'s and J.R.'s respective rankings continued to rise and fall *after* the experiment. Did A.A. ever go up on J.R.'s list? (Like, say, a couple of days or weeks down the road?) Did J.R. stay high even after the experiment stopped, or did the ranking drop immediately?

      Someone needs to do this experiment again so we can find out!!! :D (In other words, does one-time, over-the-top stalking have the same effect on ranking as casual, long-term stalking? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW. :))

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    3. One thing you did mention that I found curious and that was you noticing where you were placed on the guy you stalked list. I find that very interesting. I know we're moving pass this but I just read the latest post(5/14) and it made me think because I have wondered where I placed on the guy I stalk list if at all. He has tons more friends than I do and for sure communicates with them more. I think maybe it is some indication that those we stalk could possibly check us out too as you said. For me, if he ever checked out my profile it's out of curiosity to see who I am because we don't have mutual friends. I strongly doubt he was as enamored as I was.

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    4. When I noticed, it was a very long time ago, long enough that I'm pretty sure the algorithm was different and it very well could have "meant" more then than it does now. I really do think that with each change, it's becoming more complicated...and thus more difficult for us to extrapolate from it.

      But the PiliApp list seems to be where this discussion is headed, and the more I read people's observations about it, the more it seems to have something to tell us that the nine does not. Or at least for the time being! Every time we think we've figured something out, something changes and we're back to square one. :)

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    5. Sorry, I guess I am so out of the loop. I don't get on Facebook as much as most here, but I receive email notifications. For me it used to be updates of those I have communicated with but lately it's mostly those I have had very little communication with or none at all. So, yes there are changes on every aspect of Facebook and they are definitely becoming more and more complicated in allowing things to be figured out.

      I might have to check into this PiliApp.

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  3. A very nice summary Becky. Couldn't agree more about confirmation bias and our wanting to see things that aren't really there

    As we both know I have stalked your page for the best part of a month and haven't shown in the list of people you may know. I have had mutual friends of an ex appear and dissapear from my list. Sometimes they have appeared when I typed the first letter of their name into search and this was without me visiting their profiles. I had been away from FB for 7 months so this may have thrown a lot of confusion into the algorithim. Even my ex (who had been blocked while I rearranged and deleted our relationships worth of profile matter) appears in the first page when I search a certain letter


    FB remembers for sure, even if you clear your searches, plus their TOS tells you they record where you go and whom you search for

    I think our clicks have a great deal of weight behind our 9 but I also think that the clicks of others , while carrying less weight do have a bearing. Some of us have people just outside our 9 who never comment, chat or knowingly visit and some even make a swift appearance only to then vanish again back to number 10 with no input or clicking by us.

    In essence, it's out shortcut to whom FB thinks we will want to see, chat or stalk and I truly hate the negative association of that word when all a lot of us are doing is merely visiting a profile of somebody we are fond of :)

    keep looking for Marks in people you may know and in another week I will send you a pm

    (mark)

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    1. Mark, I checked again yesterday and you remain in the clear in terms of People I May Know. I also did the search bar experiment, putting in one letter at a time, and while I had previously not noticed anyone whose profile I hadn't looked at, this time I did run across a few rogue names...but always there was at least one mutual friend, and in a couple of cases, we had attended the same event recently. Difficult to say, then, if these were people who had really looked at my profile, or people whom Facebook was trying to throw my way because it thought we might know each other...

      And very well put on us using "stalking" to describe a pretty innocent act. (Although I'm a repeat offender on that; see title of my first book. ;))

      I will be on the lookout for your message! (You may have to remind me if I miss it in my "other" folder...definitely don't want you to pay a dollar to write me!) Thanks, as always, for your continued insight!

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  4. P.S. The first two entries I wrote on this subject (six friends and original nine friends) have now been viewed over 31,000 times. This is clearly a subject that interests a lot of people (which makes me feel much less weird for thinking so much about it). Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to this conversation!

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    1. It's intriguing for sure , given FB's reluctance to even offer and opt in / opt out profile visitor service , those who want to know will look into ways of finding out, hoping for information and trying to work out if their crush is interested

      So I am not surprised you have had so many visitors to your lovely blog

      On a side note , somebody whom I blocked ( and subsequently unblocked) has appeared in the list if I type in the first letter of her name which is something I didn't think would happen.

      It is an interesting topic and will continue to rage with every tweak that Zuck makes :)

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  5. Update
    I stalk myself like crazy with my aunt account, from friday to monday,day and night.She was number 7 and now she's number 2 on my piliap list....

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  6. What about the people that any of you stalk? Where do they rank on your PiliApp list??

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    1. When I signed in Wednesday the guy I have stalked was number 4 on my PiliApp list as well as my list of 15 that appears to the right of my newsfeed and timeline. I made a post that day and when I signed back in Thursday I noticed he had dropped to number 5 on my list of 15. Another friend of mine liked my post and was placed at number 2 on the same list. Interesting.

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    2. The guy I stalk has moved from #2 or #3 (can't recall) to #6 on my piliapp, to be replaced by a girl I've never talked to on FB except for one brief chat last week. Also of note is that a friend with whom I've had a falling out has moved up in that list from ~#8 to #4; I never visit her profile, and defined her as an acquaintance to get her out of my 9.

      In case someone's tallying, piliap is not reflected in my 9. Crush-guy who I stalk (fell off that wagon) remains at #2; his girlfriend (whose profile I admittedly view once a week or so) is at #3. She's #41 on my piliap.

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    3. I wonder about the guy who is now #3 on my list. I haven't interacted with him at all. I guess they throw in some random people. My #4 I hadn't had any interaction with in a long time, but once she liked my post she quickly jumped to #2. I think FB tries to give us a hard time in figuring things out.

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  7. Naturally occurring experiment. My mother doesn't use facebook but created a fake account so she could see my stuff. I had 3 interactions with her fake acct: Went to it, sent a PM to identify myself, and accepted a friend request. Never visited the account again. After she friended me she spent literally hours in a FB binge looking at every single post and photo in my account. After that binge she has continued to check my profile daily, but only for updates (she's told me this verbally). I went to piliap the day after her binge and she was at to number 14. The following day she fell to 90 and then fell to the bottom of the list and stayed in the bottom 3 spots for about about a week (even though she was still checking updates). It's been a little over a week and weirdly she's now at number 7. Certainly her binge briefly pushed her up in piliapp initially. Now I think it's her chronic checking that pushed her back up.

    The person I stalk is one of two close friends, so always in top two spots. If I take that person off close friends they are number 4. But also probably that they check my page regularly.

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  8. I have never been able to get the keesh list to work but in the last few days I have noticed that by moving people from friends > aquaintances no longer removes them from my 9 box !!

    Of course it could be browser dependent, lag ( although it was instantaneous before) and the pilapp list doesn't reflect my 9 box perfectly either. At some point something has changed and for me it's very recent.

    The pillap list also doesn't exactly match my list on chat either !!!

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    1. slight edit... pilapp is the same as chat , forgot about 1 aquaintance but there is a lot of confusion right now as if something has recently been altered.

      I am left wondering if others will notice a disconnect between their 9 box and pilapp / chat list

      top of my chat list makes no sense at the moment as I have chatted recently with number 1 box , lots of messages very recently and a few wall posts.

      very strange :)

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  9. my annoying ex crush just crashed my 9 again. I want him gone and dont want to be reminded everytime I am on my own profile. That's the reason I haven't checked his profile a complete month.
    The pilapp is the same as my offline chatlist. Onlinechat is completly different. Anyone else experience the same?

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    1. Have you interacted in any way to bring him back into your top 9 ? clicking links ,likes etc ??

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    2. No. But I was chatting with a mutual friend. So maybe that could increase the rank...? I dont know. But I am certain its somehow mutual.

      Kiki

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    3. My best guess is that any interaction with a mutual friend would make no difference. It could be that although you have not interacted with your annoying crush, there hasn't been enough interaction with others to overtake their score among the top 9

      Assuming you don't assign them a higher rank ( close friends etc) then as far as I can see , assuming their visiting us has little impact, by not clicking over their likes, profile views etc they will eventually drift down.

      Of course if you shift them over to aquaintances that should speed up the process if you definitely don't want to see their profile pic

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  10. My crush isn't in my 9 box anymore. Oneline and offline chat list are different from my piliap.

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  11. About the PiliApp thing, I don't have my chat turned on. I haven't since it first came out so I have no idea how my chat is ordered. I guess what I'm basing on my PiliApp results are on recent interactions, however, I've had more recent interactions with some of the others than the people who are #1 and #2 on the list. HOWEVER, the first two people that show up on the list are also people I have listed as "close friends." With family further down.

    So I guess what I'm saying is...I have no freaking clue what this list tells me other than HOLY SHIT I WISH THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY MY BIGGEST STALKERS!

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    1. Anonymous, I don't have any set lists; family, close friends, acquaintances, etc . My nephew listed me and a friend from school listed me as her cousin and I just chose to accept both, but this was when I first started Facebook two years ago. My nephew doesn't show up in my 9 box but he does show up in my top friends list. As of the other day he's number 3. My former school mate I don't recall her being in either. The other day the guy I stalked was number 4 on my top friends list but then he dropped to number 5 after another friend liked a post that I made. She was then placed at number 2 on top friends.

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  12. I won't go into all the tests I've done with dummy accounts, but stalking (mutual and otherwise) does factor into the piliapp, though chat remains dominant. one of my dummy accounts now has the most chat messages with my real account; they are in the top of my piliap but recent chatters supplant them. my second-ranking chatter (a real person) is typically behind my top chatter, but i noticed yesterday they jumped ahead. i'm not sure if this because of their longer period of chatting or because of some other kind of interaction. all i know is that stalking (one-sided) does factor. and my second-ranked chatter stays in my top 9 no matter what; my first-ranked never shows up there. i used to stalk the second-rater a lot (we were flirtatious at one point several months ago) but we rarely interact anymore. other people in my top 9 are people i rarely chat with, but interact with in various ways (and are people i suspect or know have had crushes on me). two are best friends whom i chat with a lot or have chatted with a lot in the past - but most notably, i think, is that we're tagged in number of photos together. we also tag each other in posts. i think tagging plays a huge rule. so i would say chat, stalking (one-sided or mutual), tagging, and some kind of overall interaction over a period of months keep these people there. the truly one-sided stalkers (with whom i've had some interaction with recently or semi-recently) rotate in and out. that's about all i've been able to gather. so from this time onwards i'm going to not interact in any way with my dummy account or with my 2nd-rated chatter and see what shows up in piliap and my top 9 (before they change the algorithm again!).

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  13. Also wanted to note that I have all friends listed as acquaintances to balance things out. People I "get notifications from" don't seem to factor much. One or two are in my top 9, but that's it.

    Also - what is with the new source code? All the numerical friend IDs are now appended with -0, -2, and -3. I have about 160 friends. In the piliap, it shows nearly 200. A few people have up to three of the above designations. I thought -2 was indicative of chat, but upon further inspection it seems not to.

    Sometimes one friend with all have all three and these three will be listed in close proximity, or be spread out quite a bit. Or, more commonly, of those that have three, two will be near the top and the third more towards the middle of the list. Stalking from my dummy account, chatting and "liking" put all three in close proximity near the top; after a day the third listing was towards the middle. Either it's the "liking" interaction or the stalking that's quickly dropping. Not sure. Also notable is that fact that there are many people with whom I interact a lot with - repost things, comment, like things, and vice versa, but because we never chat (and I never/rarely stalk and apparently vice versa), they are near the bottom of the piliap (just above people i have no interaction with or extremely little over time). They will, however, appear near the top when I click on my "friends" list (which recycles with every refresh - yet the same people are in the top 20 or so). These people also never appear in my top 9 (at least the new top 9; they used to show up more in the old top 8).

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    1. "what is with the new source code?"

      Yep. A few days ago, both my Piliapp list and my chat list became very random. My best friend is now #1 *and* #2 on my Piliapp list, and she is #1 on my chat list. My second-best friend, who I interact with a lot, is only #78 on Piliapp, and not even on my chat list anymore. My crush (probably mutual, no public interactions or messaging though) is #2 on my chat list, but #33, #59, and #147 on my Piliapp. The rest of my top 20 on Piliapp are either family members or people I've added recently, none of whom appear on my chat list within the top 50. The entire Piliapp list now appears completely random, with the exception of my best friend.

      My chat list is *slightly* less so: #1- Best friend; #2- School friend and crush (probably mutual); #3- Ex-boyfriend, still a good friend- we interact a lot; #4- School friend whose posts I comment on a lot; #5- Complete mystery. Former co-worker (haven't seen her in four years, or interacted with on Facebook at all); #6- Close friend in high school who I haven't seen in a decade, no likes or messages, but I think there are mutual page views; #7- Complete mystery. Close friend in high school, who I also haven't seen in a decade. The last time I visited her page was a year ago, and she is never on Facebook. #8 onward- Now it starts to make a little more sense. Childhood and long-distance BFF's, people who I interact with regularly. Doesn't seem to depend on pm's at all, but mostly public interactions.

      (Lauren)

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  14. I apologize ahead of time if this has already come up in discussion. But, has the profile friends list been talked about? The last few times I have been to Facebook the guy I stalk no longer appears in either of my timeline boxes that I had noticed but, he has been placed close to the top of my profile friends list. If I remember correctly he was no lower than number 5. I know this list used to be alphabetically at least for me it was.

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    1. That list appears to me to be far too random. Nothing other than the odd person appearing at the top after many refreshes.

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    2. My Profile Friends List is organized into groups of twenty. Top Twenty friends stay relatively static. The order they're listed in within the top twenty changes, however, with page refreshes. I have the following,relatively static groups in my friends list: Top 20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-80... etc.

      Within each of these, people will rotate, but there is relatively little change as to which group they fall in. For all of Facebook's complex algorithms, the friends list appears weirdly simple.

      (Lauren)

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  15. Above is true. - Different Anonymous Person

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  16. With much hesitation I gave in and signed into Facebook last night. My birthday was Monday so I needed to go ahead and thank those that wished me a Happy Birthday. After looking at my newsfeed I noticed not much action from the guy I have stalked, so when I finally saw his name I clicked and from what I see he still hasn't been posting much lately. Damn his girlfriend. I then checked out my timeline and notice my 6 and 8/9 boxes have finally disappeared. Like most, what I have now is the one box of 9 on the left. I also notice on the right side is a list of 15 friends. These 15 appear on my newsfeed as well as and everyone stays in order. Going back to my timeline, a friend whom I have communicated with a great deal from liking, posting and messaging she is either number 1 or number 4 in my new 9 box. I refreshed the page a few times and not one rotation from this box.

    After I signed out of Facebook I came here. I decided to try the Piliapp. What the Piliapp showed me was what my list of 15 friends does. Number 1 is my friend C whom I communicate with a great deal. Number 2 is my nephew who I haven't communicated with in a while now. Number 3 a guy I went to school with and no communication at all. Number 4 is the guy I have stalked. It has been a month since I messaged him and almost a month since I liked a picture of his. So, it seems for me my list of 15 friends had already given me an indication as to who I communicate with the most and the rest I'm guessing are just random people, maybe those who have been on a lot lately.

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  17. Nice discussion overthere.

    Since I have crush overhere and I've put her on Close Friends which she is on the list only. So, when I did that it went on 1st place directly, stayed overthere for some time till this happens: She moved to 4th place ?

    I was like, how ?? she is the only one in the close friends list, the ONLY.
    What does this mean, is it something new ?

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    1. do you have family listed ?

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    2. Yeah, but it's only my sister and she's on 3rd place.

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  18. Piliapp list changes depending on which page I copy the "View Source Code" from. Taking the data from Facebook homepage, my Timeline, and my profile Friends page, within one minute of each other, only my top five stayed the same. Everyone else jumps anywhere from one to six spots up or down the list. Anyone else notice this?

    (Lauren)

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  19. Okay- I think I have something here with the Piliapp. I have followed the patterns of who shows up in what general grouping for the past couple days. I've concluded from this that:

    a) The people who show up three times on my Piliapp list are those with whom I have a lot of mutual "interactions." I regularly view their Timeline and follow links they post, and they regularly view my Timeline or otherwise interact with my posts. The closer each of their rankings are to each other, the more my interactions with them are reciprocated. My best friend, for instance, is numbers 1, 2, and 22 on my Piliapp list.

    b) The first number seems to be aggregate- how much Facebook seems to think I want to interact with them based on all "interactions": Timeline views, post clicks, etc. Hence, my best friend is number 1. The second and third numbers seem to represent our public interactions. One number indicates how they rank among all my friends for times I've "liked" their status updates, commented publically, or sent a private message, with passive activity (viewing timeline but not clicking anything, i.e.) counting only slightly. The other number seems to reflect their public interaction with my profile (again, times they've "liked" my status, commented, or private messaged, with passive activity counting slightly). Hence, my best friend is also number 2 and 22. She posts things on my timeline a lot and they generally generate a lot of comments, while I visit her timeline a lot, but very rarely post things.

    c) If they are showing up only once, it is likely that your interactions are mostly one-sided. If you can refrain from using Facebook for a few weeks, this might be a good way to figure out who is stalking you.

    d) Passive interactions do count for very little next to public interactions and clicking/following links. But they do count.

    e) The Piliapp figures in recent interactions, and frequent interactions, above all. My second best friend only shows up once on my list, at number 77. She's been on vacation for two weeks and off Facebook. Before then, we were messaging everyday, almost as much as my best friend, and she is still at the top of my friends' list.

    (Lauren)

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  20. My Piliapp/friends chat list doesn't change regardless of what page I'm on.

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  21. For me, it doesn't matter which page I am on, all the ordering is identical and all friends only turn up once

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  23. Eh... I give up:) It seems like my algorithm (and my nine, and my chat) is changing every day now. I have no clue. Will have to find other ways to occupy my time. Going outside. Seeing friends. Besides, trying to figure out elusive and objective rankings is starting to feel a bit creepy. Even without stalking.

    (Lauren)

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    1. Hey Lauren we all understand that feeling. It's actualy beneficial to step away from FB for a number of reasons, not least it will give you a clearer picture of who notices your absence :)hehe

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  24. My chat list has changed to a very strange order today. I can't work out what's going on with that at all. A.

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    1. Same here. Everyone below top 3 friends on chat list changed.

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    2. Yes today the piliap list seems to have reacted to the friends / aquaintances also.

      Could be FB is scrambling it all up again.

      I had a new entry into my top 9 on my main page, presumably mainly due to a few chats. She is now number 2 on Piliap list and only chatted with me due to me wishing her boyfriend a happy birthday. I do have people I have chatted with below some I haven't but it was a while ago and cannot fathom why some would be higher in either list if they haven't chatted, msg or liked anything for well over 18 months. They all have basic friends listing too

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  25. I put the source code into the piliapp and it the app was able to filter out the redundancies (or 2nd and sometimes third designations). I'll second what someone said above - viewing a profile accounts for little, but clicking on items in newsfeed or someone's profile counts for quite a bit - especially when it's mutual.

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  26. After taking a 3 month deactivation period from Facebook, I just joined back up. My top 6 friends are the same everyday for the most part. It changes very rarely because I truly don't interact with many people on facebook.

    My top 2 are my mother and sister (who are the only people I have listed as family / the only profiles I ever go on)
    I have no one in any groups such as close friends and all that so everyone else (besides the few creeps I put as blocked) are all on the same playing field.
    My 3rd is the one friend I actually facebook message often since we don't live in the same state.
    4th is my cousin whom I facebook message also, and have many pictures together
    5th is my ex boyfriend / crush who I have not interacted on facebook with since August. And even when we were in a relationship, we barely interacted via facebook, never went "in a relationship" and have only a very select few of mutual friends (no more than 5 maybe).
    6th is my friend who I know goes on my page A LOT and comments and likes everything I put up.

    Once again I don't go on peoples profiles often since I am not big on facebook, just will go through the newsfeed randomly, but barely ever like or comment on anything either.

    I also have the same 6 people when I check Facebook on my phone.

    Now I tried the piliapp yesterday for the first time in awhile and I noticed the top people were the people I JUST facebook messaged in the past week, who just put pictures of me and tagged me in since I came back to facebook. And my ex/crush was in the top 10 (who once again I have not interacted with / gone to his profile and all the people in front of him were people I facebook messaged or was tagged in a picture of theirs in the past week)

    I tried the piliapp again this morning, after I had some random kid message me that I haven't seen in years, have NEVER been on his profile, and have NEVER interacted with message me last night.

    I checked my piliapp last night before his message and he was no where on the list, and now this morning after he sent one message, and I replied once, he is now my number one (but not on my top 6)

    So from what I can tell from this is the piliapp list is DEF the people you just RECENTLY interacted with followed by people who view your profile listed after.

    Just my thoughts after what I have seen.

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    1. (Same author as this previous post)

      I am checking my piliapp again right now, and my number 1 is still the one kid who messaged me last night, but now the rest of the list seems totally random and people I NEVER talk to, and I know don't stalk me or anything like that.

      I still have the few people I have interacted with in the past week close to the top and my crush is now 25.
      (I also haven't noticed him online today)

      Maybe everyday it changes, each morning, and it shows who has views your profile that day or who you interacted with that day?

      I just think it's weird that people that were in my top 10 (who i know check my facebook) are now number 57. That's a big change in 24 hours.

      So I am going to check again tomorrow and see what the results are.
      I am also not going to click on any newsfeed things, like or comment anything, or visit anyones profiles for the next few days to see what happens within that time.
      I may talk to a friend about this and have them stalk my profile silently(no liking, commenting, or chatting) and just visiting my profile and see what happens with that.

      We shall see.

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    2. Sounding like a broken record but I have experienced the same as your previous post here. My friend at number 1, she and I have interacted a great deal. My number 2 friend, up until the other day we haven't interacted at all since maybe December besides her wishing me a happy birthday this past Monday. Wednesday I made a post, she liked it and suddenly she has been placed that high on my list. Number 3 is my nephew, there hasn't been any interaction in a very long time. My friend at number 4, all we did was make friend 1 or 2 years ago. I've on been on Facebook 2 years. Number 5 is the guy I have stalked. We have messaged a few times in the past and then in March/April. It's kinda been one sided between us. If I don't say something to him he doesn't say anything to me or like anything I have posted. I have liked a few picture that made it to my newsfeed. I have wondered if he sees anything I have posted or if he looks or has looked at my page. I sure have had a great time looking at his pictures.

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  27. Well of course it's going to be skewed by your activity. If it's very limited it's going to factor "one-sided" activity; whereas normally this kind of activity would sink towards the bottom of a more active user. And the piliapp manages recent chats, but not in exact order, and is weighted by all sorts of variables; chiefly (it appears) total chats, likes/comments/tags, click-throughs (with mutual ones taking priority), length of "friendship" and whether chat history is episodic or more frequent. Re: the latter, say you knew someone and talked to them a lot for a brief period; but then maybe you thought they were a bit weird but didn't want to mean and "unfriend" them; so even though you have many messages with them, they might rank below someone with fewer chats but with whom you chat more regularly.

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  28. Finally today my PiliApp changed significantly (the first time it's done so), mainly reflecting my messaging history from about the last two or three weeks, which confirms my theory from forever ago that that list, in particular, has a weird delay.

    Aside from the top row, though, the rest of the list is more difficult to interpret. Still haven't had anyone in duplicate (or triplicate!) on my list. The bookmarklet also continues to be irritatingly non-informative of anything other than my own habits... And with all that said, I've got to give a hats off to Lauren above. ;)

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  29. I apologize ahead of time if this has already been covered and I know the PiliApp is pretty much the topic now. But, does anyone here receive email notifications from Facebook? I have for a long time now. I'm beginning to wonder what is determined as to who shows up in my emails. After I made friends with the guy I stalk he showed up quite often but then slowed down the past month or two. Lately it's been other people I have had no interactions with or very little. These past few days that I have received emails and there he is again. I would love your thoughts and theories if any.

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  30. Is he in your close friends list? Is it only from him that you're getting notifications?

    Go to privacy settings and then the notifications tab..

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    1. I don't have a close friends list. I don't have any lists at all. The notification emails I receive, there are always 7 friends(profile pictures) in each email. I'm just curious about what determines who shows up. He and another friend of mine I know for sure get on Facebook a lot. She is always showing up in my notification emails while he hadn't for some time. The last two emails I received he was included and in a different order. It's not a problem. I just notice the changes in the emails and wondered if anyone else experienced the same.

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  31. The constant tinkering by Zuck and friends made my piliap list alter during the week. It has now taken into consideration who are friends and who are aquaintances . I would guess for those who have family listed it has changed for those too.

    My 9 has altered with chats doing most of the changes but the fact that 1 & 2 changed around with no help from me and no known impetus from others makes me think that the actions of others do have a bearing. I am more convinced now and haven't visited a profile or clicked a link in 2 weeks. Just chats a week ago

    Interested to know if others have noticed any changes with their 9's and piliap lists

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  32. An ex-crush of mine who I used to stalk a lot (until 3 months ago) was constantly in the number 2 position in the box of 9 on my Timeline. 2 weeks ago, I listed him as an acquaintance in order to move him out of the box of 9, and it worked. We then exchanged a few PMs last week (I have not visited his profile in the last 3 weeks and I have unchecked the 'show in newsfeed' option for him) and he has moved back into the box of 9, at no. 5. He is still listed as an acquaintance and I have at least 12 people listed as family members and close friends. It seems that message activity does play a factor.

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  33. I've had an FB account since 2004 when they were still individually adding colleges. I never really used it that much historically. Prior to about 6 months ago, I hadn't even signed on in almost 2 years. I friended and subsequently stalked a girl briefly. Considering my lack of usage history, just looking at her profile a couple times bumped her up to #1. I used the lists and added close friends/family and listed her as an acquaintance and she disappeared. About a month ago, she popped back up in slot 5. I can't do anything to move the list around with any of the list functions. The only person I actually interact with is listed lower than her, however I never view his profile.

    Now for the interesting part:

    I created a dummy account to check how other people view my friends list. The top 20 mostly makes sense to me, 3 or 4 of them are odd balls. Considering my lack of usage, having some odd stuff makes sense. She showed up way down my list. I then checked her list. I show up in her top 20 along with her siblings and close friends. What it seems to me is that you show up higher on other people's friends list if you have them in your top 9. I then decided to check the rest of the people in my top 9. I am in all of their top 20. Their friend list reflects who views them, not the other way around.

    FWIW, we have no mutual friends, and I'm fairly confident she doesn't stalk me.

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    1. After writing this, I'm almost wishing I hadn't posted it. I'm not sure if I want that to become common knowledge.

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    2. Their friend list reflects who views them, not the other way around.

      Not everyone. I show up higher on other people's friends list not because I view them, but because I interact a lot with them without me looking at their profile. And they are not in my top 9.

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    3. I almost never stalk anyone's page. My top 9 are people I either have extensive chat/interaction histories with, including recent interaction (ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TAGGED IN PHOTOS!), have a lot of mutual friends, and a couple random dudes I am pretty sure check out my profile a lot...just...trust me on that. My crush is in position 4 and hasn't moved in ages. 7-9 swap out fairly frequently. My crush and I have the second most chats of all my friends (second only to my dummy account, who NEVER appears in my top 9, though often high in my piliapp or in top of the friends page). i still don't know what it all means, but I think a lot of weight is given to mutual interaction (clicking on people's links, even just in your news feed, hovering over their activity in the side bar, etc.). again, MUTUAL; at least for the top few in the top 9. again, my last 2-3 are often people i rarely interact with, and certainly do not stalk.

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    4. Clicking 1 newsfeed like was enough for my number 4 to move to number 3. I stopped visiting profiles , viewing people as ,searching ..everything other than messages pretty much. If I see a funny item in news I will click as normal and reply to chats.. but that's it

      Any traffic... from you to another FB member will play a part in their position among your top friends. It might not be noticeable but as long as they are all on a level playing field ( not segregated into close / friends etc) it will at some point push them higher.

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  34. given we cannot really glean much (if any) information from our own friends lists I am not sure what people are hoping to get from other peoples....

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    1. I fully agree with this. I've had a couple of people contact me privately about this very issue and all I can offer anyone is that whatever account you're logged in from is the account that Facebook is tracking your clicks from. So if you're looking at someone else's lists, that's almost assuredly (again!) going to be reflecting your activity, and not anyone else's.

      The top 25 from the old layout was interesting. This new one, unfortunately, just doesn't give us a lot to work with.

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    2. Doing some random testing, I think it's not just whichever account you're logged in as, but IP address factors in. My top 20 show up as other people's top 20 if they have the mutual friends, even when viewing them from a dummy account. Some of those friendships make zero sense as they don't know each other at all. So considering I'm using a dummy account and it still looks the same, I believe just being on the same computer factors into the listing.

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    3. YES. I totally agree, and I regret not mentioning that in the original post. This is corroborated by the comment below, too, about the results being different on different computers.

      Once again, the evidence is pointing toward our own activity being the primary determining factor for ranking.

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  35. Just an observation about the Bookmarklet if it wasn't mentioned before - The results differ when on a different computer. The top results are different on my work computer than when I check it on my computer at home.

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  36. My piliapp changed drastically about a week ago. After showing pretty consistent behavior (good friends rated high, people getting massive boosts after private messages or chats, minor boosts from likes/comments or my activity on their status updates/pages) that seemed to show a pretty concrete correlation between order and mutual activity, the thing completely flipped and people who didn't show up in the top 200 at all were all of a sudden being thrown in randomly with the list as it was previously ordered. I'm thinking Facebook (like with the six friends thing) figured out that people were starting to "crack" the formula and altered it again to throw us off.

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    1. I think you're right. Same thing for me.

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  37. Hi all, I have been reading this and the previous blog and would like to share my 2 cents worth. It has all been a very confusing journey and I feel more confused than ever. At first believing that I was on to something and then finding out that other factors including using lists e.g. close friends can give false impressions as they get bumped up and then also the possibility that you could be on their lists and what we are seeing could be really anything under the sun influenced either way – the picture I used to think was clear is now all blur. Sorry I digress; without too much detail as I am myself still confused, what I discovered is this: about a week ago the source code was changed and by the sounds of it, this affected everything. I believe the source code and the Piliapp that shows it, is closely linked to the order of the chat list, but this list is generated obviously from what algo is used to determine this order.

    Prior to this change it seemed clear that the order of the source code list was influenced primarily by chats or private messages followed by other activity whether by one or both sides, I am not sure. When the source code changed, the Piliapp still generated the list based on the IDs that ended with the -2 but did not count the IDs with -0 or -3. With this change, the people up to about #17 on the old source code still showed up in the new source code top people with a bit of position changes, but after about #17 there were people below it that showed up above #17 on the new source code list, as well as some that were above #17 in the old list were now thrown down below #17 in the new list??! Chats/messages including historical ones or cumulative amounts still factor in like the old list and the ones at the top of the list that are entrenched still remain even when there have been no more chats/messages in weeks, so history or cumulative seem to have a heavy factor, or no one has beaten them (as I am withdrawing myself from much interaction/posts) I think, or they are based on views because in every other respect, there is not much other public activity. The other fickle thing with the new source code is it seems to go back and forth even if you have made a change to a close friend. I removed 3 people from a close friend list to get a true picture of their standing, one remained in the same position after being removed, while the other dropped 5 positions and the last dropped 30 positions. But then on and off regularly the source code would put them back in their old positions as when they were close friends and then drop them again and then up again and it keeps happening to these 2 people, up and down regularly – history repeating itself?? Sorry this is so long. continue in next comment.

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    1. There were a couple people I was still getting updates from (who happen to be two of my best friends); I removed this status and one now goes off and on the top 9, as opposed to being a permanent fixture. My other friend is frozen in the second slot, though. We have the third highest chat count of all my friends; are tagged in photos and posts together; and she was previously listed as a close friend. But we never view each others' pages and she rarely posts. But those tagged photos and posts are getting pretty old, and now that she's listed the same as everyone (acquaintance, show in newsfeed) I wonder how long it will take for her to move? How much weight is given to the historical? Also confounding this is the fact that there are people with whom I have a lot of messages with (almost as many as my friend); are mutually tagged with; have other interactions with, and they never show up in my top 9.

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  38. Now as for the number at the end of the IDs in the new source code – I believe they represent something, whether the -2 are views, or -3 and -0 are chats, etc. Definitely if there have been chats, views, likes, the -0 and -3 are close to the top near -2 of their ID. Otherwise all the rest, the -3 and -0 only show up at the bottom of the long list after all the IDs with -2. I am not sure what they represent because so far too many variables and they also keep switching, like one time -3 of one person will be way in front of his -0, then later they would have switched positions, or usually they are paired next to each other, so when they are separated it could be a lag or it could mean some activity caused it. I am mostly observing this based on people with nil public activity in months either way, so could be views?? Also confusing is that there is this one person with whom I have never chatted, liked, commented or anything and only viewed profile once, that shows up in the new source code list higher than many other people whom I have had more activity including historically, so he throws all assumptions out the window and he wasn’t even near the top 30 in the old source code but is now sitting permanently at #15 in the new list.

    As for the Keeshin list, it just shows all the names of people I have searched with the latest on the top. As for the box of 9, one is a relative and always there, the 2 at the bottom are friends with views and sometimes likes, the top 6, have 3 that have had long historical activity including chats, likes, comments, one is a new fake person I put in the close friends list and viewed myself from there a few times but now even though have been removed still remain in the top 6, am stopping all views of myself from that account to see if it will go away. The two left in spot 1 and 2 are no longer interacting with me publicly for many weeks and months but have historically only chat with #1 only for 2/3 days, the other I had liked his photos and viewed his profile once in a while and have been real friends at one time but no more for months. Have at one time both been put on my close friends list but have since been removed, kind of think they still both view my profile to stay at #1 and #2 ahead of positions #3 to #6 (#5 having also had time on close friend list) who not only have had historically stronger activity but still do. So, go figure.

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  39. Forgot to say, in comparison: box 9 to new source code list or Piliapp list, goes like this: #1 at #4, #2 at #18, #3 at #1, #4 at #33 (this is the test account I spoke about), #5 at #12, #6 at #2, #7 (a relative) at #43, #8 at #7 and #9 at #8

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  40. my ex has been in my top 6 since the moment the top 6 didn't change with every refresh usually in the 5th or 6th spot. I do go on my exes profile sometimes (not stalker often at all) . Last week I noticed he was not on my top 6 list anymore. I decided in this time to not go on his profile at all to see if my random clicks every so often to his profile was putting him in my top 6. I just noticed tonight that he is back on my top 6 at number 4.

    I had not gone on his profile at all in this time, and have been chatting with other people, visiting other peoples profiles, and commenting on peoples pictures and statuses, but none of them are on my top 6 but he is back.

    Everyone else on my top 6 I know looks at my profile a lot (they tell me they stalk my pictures), or I message constantly and all that so it would be weird if the rest of my top 6 are people I message a lot or people that just look at my profile a lot and then randomly my ex who doesnt go on my profile. It makes me believe he is looking at it.

    We only have a few common friends, barely ever wrote on each others facebooks, and haven't interacted on facebook in a long time.

    I checked my pilliap and its people that have messaged me recently taking the number one spot and staying their until a new person messages me, then I see super random people that I have NEVER interacted with on facebook EVER, and just the numbers are REALLy weird to me. I wrote about a week ago that my pilliap was recent messages with everyone else after that people I talk to or i know stalk me, but now it looks SO random so I think facebook also might have figured out that we realized so are trying to confuse us.

    but my top 6 still make sense to me and are constantly the same people.

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  41. imho , only chats and messages have any bearing on the piliap list. Everything else seems to make no difference

    When it comes to your top 9 box , everything seems to be part of the math that moves people up , down , in & out.

    As the author and many of us have noticed, a few chats / messages can boost somebody straight into your 9 box. Most chats / messages are of course mutual. Profile views ( we cannot be sure if they are mutual), clicking links , likes etc etc may or may not be but as many of us have noticed there are sometimes people in the 9 box and we cannot quite explain why they are there.

    All you can do (other than read what Becky has outlined ) is to limit your own behaviour and see what transpires , whether the behaviour of others alone is enough to force themselves into your 9 box remains to be seen.

    FB doesn't for now ( maybe ever) want us to be able to know who visits our profile page. Many people want to know if their crush, ex or whoever is stalking them, but they might not be so happy if a random stranger ( who you weren't keen on ) is cycling through their photos daily

    We could be given clues... or what is more likely, we are seeing what we hope to see.

    Confirmation bias at work :)

    For now, the only way to know if somebody, for sure has visited your profile..is if they tell you or they click like on a photo, link, status or whatever that is old.

    As an experiment, add a photo , date it a year ago so it goes 1 year back in your timeline and see who clicks like on it first.

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    1. There is a guy who is positioned at #3 on my Piliapp list. Outside of becoming friends on Facebook about two years ago, we have never communicated. I don't get on Facebook very often so I don't know when he was placed there. I don't recall him being on the past 6 or 9 lists either. One thing for sure it's a mystery to me how or why is he placed so high when there hasn't been any interaction between us.

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  42. "It would make a lot of sense if it were people whose profile you view the most. Because then you're obviously interested in them. And it would make even more sense for facebook to hire people to write the opposite in forums all over the internet (it wouldn't be the first time that a company did that; in fact, there have been many cases in the news about fake customer reviews etc. and there are agencies specialised in providing these). Because then you, reading these forum discussions, would think, hey, actually the person whose profile I've been stalking might be interested in me as well!
    If there is a company smart enough to do that, I would think it is facebook."

    That's not bad....

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  43. except i never stalk these people's profiles...except one, and it's only occasionally. it's mutual interaction, by and large, with different variables and weights assigned to different kinds of interaction. the bottom 3 i think are randomized/people who are one-sidedly stalking you.

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    1. Facebook could have stored info of you and your EX also, and could have put him in your top 9 to remind him of how much you interacted with him in the past, and may want you to keep in touch with him again, so they can get more page views/stalking from both of you as that generates revenue for FB.

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    2. Facebook..WILL have stored information with details of every click between the 2 of you. My ex was blocked until I had removed all shared stories, tagged photos etc etc. Now she is unblocked, FB knows not to put her in the "people you may know list" they have even stored the date she was removed as a friend on my activity log.

      Tim on site is what drives their ad revenues and I agree they could try and entice people to stay on the site for longer periods. If Becky was running ads here I have no doubt at all that her revenues would now be higher with the traffic this debate has achieved.

      I arrived here looking for answers, unable to explain why a certain person who I rarely interact with was in my top 9... was it historical , was it just me looking at their photos ?? So I stopped visiting her profile and in the last few months she has dropped down to number 11 on my 9 box.

      I for one, would be happy to know who visits my profile, many however wouldn't. For now , all I can deduce from the 9 box, is that we generate it ourselves by our actions, our clicks and the time spent doing it.

      All I suggest is to check to individual settings of everybody, see who you have ticked to see more or less of , who you list as family, close friends, aquaintances etc and try and alter your own behaviour and see what happens to you 9 boxes over time. There are no quick and easy answers, only our theories for now

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  44. Just signed out of Facebook and like everyone else my 9 box and piliapp have changed. For me the 9 box has coincided with my results from piliapp. I reluctantly became friends with my mom again and she likes everything I post, so now she is #1. My friend who used to be at number 1 has dropped down to number 4 and the guy I stalk is now number 5. I have noticed that my list of 15 seems to be determined by who is on at the moment. The guy I stalk was on 30 minutes before I signed on and some time after I signed on he did too and jumped up to number 1. I don't remember where he was positioned before but I do believe he was lower than number 10.

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  45. My crush whom I used to stalk was in my 6th for the loooongest time because I looked through EVERYTHING on his page a few times (so embarrassing, I know). Our mutual interaction was likes or a comment, but that was that ( I liked his stuff more than he liked mine). It has diminished significantly, also I we never chatted or IMed.
    I'm pretty sure he no longer view my profile also.

    So from 6th he dropped to 9, and I noticed if I checked out his profile, he'll move up to 6 again.. I tested this to some of my other friends (who I didnt use to stalk but they tend to like or comment on my stuff), I picked a girl then I went through her timeline over the years. An hour later, she is on my 6th spot. PS : I don't 'like' or comment her stuff.

    So for me I think rather firmly that 6th and 9th spot is reserved for pageviews- YOUR view to THEIR profile.

    anyway after a while, I don't check my crush's profile anymore plus we no longer have mutual interaction, so he was gone from my 9 box. And it was consistent for a while, but then recently a couple of times he came up to my 7th box out of the blue.

    Now, my theory WAS, if you ignore it (aka dont check their profile), usually they'll be gone again after a few hours (sometimes instantly). That means it was just a randomized profile facebook put up for whatever reason. Usually it works, but this time even after I tried to view other people's profile/going through their timeline to kick my crush's profile picture out of the 9 box, the profile persisted.

    So who knows? 1 more thing, my crush does not use his facebook much at all, so it probably counts a lot as interaction if I view his or he views mine.

    I had other observation using Keesh, but dunno how relevant it would be here, so here you go!

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    1. I don't really stalk cutie as much as I used to. Honestly, I rarely get on Facebook. But, the other day he was in my 9 box. I believe he was positioned at number 4, and even after refreshing the page he remained there. Refreshing no longer changes things, for me at least. He slipped to number 5 on my piliapp list. I just might have to start stalking his page to see what happens. He has never liked anything I have posted so I can only guess that he has either never looked at my page or don't see what I post. Besides messaging, interactions have been one sided. After all this time I have become curious as to how he has remained in my top when communication has become rare. I no longer have any excuses to send private messages just to see what will happen.

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    2. My other theory is, everyones 9 algorithm places are different also. Like my 6 and 9 theory might be someone else's 4 and 5 theory... they're numbered randomly to make it different for everybody,

      Also, I am not sure if PM counts TOO much, since I honestly I have a lot of other people who PMed me, and they're nowhere near my top 9.

      Some other observations:
      My 1st box is definitely a combination of everything though (he viewed my profile, he PMed me shitload, he liked a lot of my stuff) and he's been there since forever. The mutual part is, I also liked and commented on some of his stuff but I don't view their profile, just whatever the newsfeed gives me.

      My 2nd box is a girl who tagged me in a LOT of her photos, we used to PM a lot but no longer do so as well. She liked my stuff at times but pretty rare. She is also firmly on my 2nd box since a long time ago. Same as above, only newsfeed-viewing.

      My 3rd box is my 1st CLOSE friend (starred), self explanatory. (I do comment and like his stuff, I don't view his profile, just newsfeed. Lots of PM) sometimes he moves to the 4th but generally stays the same.
      My 4th box is my 2nd CLOSE friend. Self explanatory also and same as above but I view his profile at times since he doesn't update often. Lots of PM) sometimes he moves to the 5th or 3rrd but generally stays the same.

      My 5th box is ... I'm actually kind of unsure why he is there other than the fact he is a lot in one of my photos folder (We travelled together with some others), but other than that we don't do much interaction at all. He might like my stuff or comment but not a lot. I don't view his profile or follow much of his newsfeed either. He's been in 5th box for a while now, sometimes he's on the 4th.

      My 6th box: My experiment girl. Caveat: She does like and comment on my stuff a lot, and I'm sure she visited my profile (not just newsfeed) at times but I don't necessarily do the same for her, unless I'm doing the above experiment to see if going through timeline affects position. (it does.)

      my 7th box: My crush. Been like that for a day. RARE interaction, virtually NO PM. In case with my crush, sometimes he goes to 6th or 9th like i told before- when I viewed his profile a couple of times a day. IF I don't view his profile, usually he'll fall off my box in a couple hours or a day, relatively quickly. But 7th is rare.

      My 8th box: This guy I had quite a lot of PMs with since he is my client, he also include me in a lot of multiple-people PMs, and he tagged me on some of his photos. Sometimes he falls off the box, but sometimes he comes in again if we had recent interaction via PM or otherwise. Most of the time, he is in either 8th or 9th (8th for mutual interaction, 9th if it was me doing stuff to his profile/newsfeed)

      my 9th box: This girl actually for the longest time was my 5th, she liked a LOT of my stuff, i tagged her quite a bit in my photos and she commented a LOT of my stuff, but lately she's been on my 7th, 8th & 9th box and meandering around there (she doesn't interact with me much anymore, just once in a while.

      there is one more guy that usually appears after my crush fall off the box, I am not sure why he is there either honestly, aside from tagged photos, some PM and we're in a same group together. He meanders from 6-9th. Most of the time 8th or 9th. When he was in 6th, usually it's me viewing his stuff (he draws)

      So there you go, my 2 months worth of observation! Who knows if it's any help! It's been interesting, for sure.

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  46. 6 and 9 definitely not the case for me. everyone's metrics are going to be a bit different; that much is obvious. i firmly maintain that after different trials and confirmed hits (thank you, youtube analytics!), that it is largely mutual (though i think they throw in some stalkers, people you used to talk to somewhat, etc., just for fun sometimes). of course if you don't use fb often or have people ranked in certain orders (mine are all set to the same values), then yeah, that will make your top 9 a bit wonky.

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    1. I agree. As I have already mentioned I became friends with my mom again and she has liked almost everything I have posted since then and as of the other day she is number 1 in my 9 box. I believe this is the same for my piliapp list. A friend of mine whom I have communicated with a great deal has dropped to number 4 after being number 1 for so long. As many has said Facebbook wants to keep those of us who are interested guessing. I was building a theory the other day about my 9 box but was sidetracked.

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    2. Is she listed as a family member?

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    3. No she's not. I don't have any special lists at all.

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  47. My nine has stayed pretty static. Seven family members, my best friend and my ex-girlfriend. My ex-girlfriend has been in the 9 spot since the switch happened. I don't go to her profile much (I think it's been a few weeks), though I did recently like a picture of hers that showed up in my news feed. We didn't interact much on facebook when we were dating (a few likes here and there and a few pictures together, never messaged each other or posted on each other's walls and we weren't ever "facebook official") and besides the first month after our break I didn't really bomb her page and pictures with views. I even blocked her from my news feed and didn't click on her page for four-plus months. Yet she easily showed up the most when the six friends were active (about 100 more than the second-highest person, yes I tracked it, I'm a geek) over the course of two months when I wasn't interacting with her at all on or outside of Facebook. She was anywhere from No. 2-7 on my piliapp before it was reshuffled -- now she's in the 30s behind several randoms.

    My best friend jumps around between 1-6. He's never been on the bottom row but has bounced around on the first two. He was No. 1 on my piliapp for a long time before it was reshuffled and was no lower than 3rd ever. I probably have more pictures with him than anyone else on Facebook and while we never private message, we usually do like and comment on each other's posts frequently.

    My sisters are always on the first row, with one of my younger brothers on the first row when my best friend isn't on it. If my best friend isn't on it, he goes down to the second row with my other younger brother, who is the least active of the four siblings. The sisters and the more active brother were always top 20 in my piliapp, while the other brother was 25-35. The other second row slot goes to my grandmother (who doesn't know how to log in I don't think) and my older cousin, who I speak to sparingly. They switch between the second and third row of my nine, with whoever is on the third row joining my aunt and my ex.

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    1. You have your relatives indicated as such? That of course makes a difference. And even if you don't, they probably have you indicated, so that would probably influence it as well. Other peoples' settings do seem to influence the top 9, the friends list, all of it. Also, if your grandmother views your profile or clicks on your news feeds in higher proportion to her other "friends" (I'm assuming she doesn't exactly have many?) that would be another factor. So say she has 15 friends, 7 of which are relatives and of all those contacts she views your information the most or second most...even if she is very rarely online.

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    2. Yeah, I do have the relatives indicated and know exactly why they are where they are. My mom, who I don't have indicated as a relative because she just got Facebook recently, would bump my grandmother out I think. I just think it's weird that my best friend and my ex never switch out of the nine.

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  48. I am left wondering whether those of us discussing our findings , would be happier to have an opt in/ opt out viewer service that other social media forms have. Would we be so keen if our stalkers weren't who we had hoped ?

    We can all adjust our privacy settings of course, but I guess most of us have friends on FB that we hardly know and have no real afinity for.

    If people had a few total unknowns in their 9 boxes / people they had no interactions with at all, then it would be easy to see.

    I have a feeling that FB does offer us clues without telling us the whole truth.

    Would you lot be happy to know and be happy to let others know you are viewing them, as it cuts both ways ?

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    1. Mark, before Facebook got rid of the 6 and 8 boxes I did have "friends" I didn't interact with begin to appear in them. When things changed it became people that I have had some interaction with the exception of one person who as of the other day is no longer in my 9. What I find strange is my mom and I haven't interacted since becoming friends but she has liked everything I have posted and now she's number 1 in my 9 and piliapp. So, as someone said maybe some things do cut both ways. This has made me believe that maybe the guy I have stalked views my page every now and then, he just don't like anything I post, literally .

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    2. I like the "mutual" clicking theories and as we all know .... many of us look / stalk without clicking like or commenting so we don't highlight ourselves to the mutual friends... hehe

      I was the same with the 6/8 which brought me here.

      It's probable that other people are wondering why our faces appear in their 9 ... and are now visiting our profiles less or thinking we are stalking them... thus altering their behaviour like some of us

      Now if my number 11 gets put back into my 9 box...with no messages , chats or likes... just me viewing her... I can only assume it's my actions doing it...If she re-appears with absolutely nothing from my end... we would notice. Sadly these sorts of ah ha moments aren't happening enough for me..which is sad

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  49. I have a dummy account that has NO FRIENDS. I did an experiment using it re: my top 9 and the top 9 viewable to my friends only. For those friends who don't have their friends list set to private or customized (mutual friends only, followers only, etc.) - I appear in THEIR top 20 list. Again, this is from a public "stranger's" pespective. Now, when I view their top 20 from my real account, I'm scattered all around. Further, these same people are not all in my top 20, though most are. If they are not, then they are in the next tier.

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    1. In addendum, I also viewed from a different IP.

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  50. what's the top 20?

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  51. the top 20 people on your friends page. every time you refresh they will be shuffled, but they remain in the top 20. same for next 20. i never checked for those beneath those, but i assume it's more or less the same.

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  52. and of course the sad thing about all of this is that the more we discuss the more facebook monitors it and tweaks their code. le sigh. but they won't make it irrational - they still want a model that is attractive to users; that is, they want us to be reminded of people we actually have an interest in, and vice versa. so nothing should change too drastically.

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    1. definitely..... I have a new entry into my 9 box... 1 wall post for a birthday, 1 photo view from the night out for her birthday and straight from nowhere into number 7...

      it all baffles me and I sympathise with us all when we think we are getting somewhere..and then Zuck and his cronies do a minute tinkering and bamm we have to restart our theories based on new info :)

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    2. I agree 100% that they do. Once we feel we have figured things out it all changes.

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  53. hi! do you guys find any pattern in your pilliapp/chat list since it changed? cause mine now has some of the last people I messaged, then my crush who I haven't messaged and then just a bunch of randoms that I have no interaction with facebook.

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    1. *on facebook

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    2. just recent chats on the piliap for me. Also , recently it split the friends/ aqaintances up also... but now I move them back to friends and nothing has altered on the piliap..

      i guess for me it's a recent change.

      The order for the piliap is about right based on recent chats / messages but i don't send too many or chat much. The randoms are just the friends (listed as ) that I hardly ever interact with. Their order seems pretty meaningless at the moment

      my 9 box has altered, based on me moving 2 aquaintances back to friends...but it's not showing in my 9 yet... a fair few days later

      looks to me as if somethings altered, at least for me..

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  54. Ok today was my birthday and a few people posted on my wall as per usual, while a couple of people who I haven't heard from in a long time sent me private messages and they instantly went to number 1 & 2 in the piliap . I had replied but no more. The wall posters positions moved down 2 places in the piliap.

    Leads me to conclude that the piliap doesn't seem to register anything other than messages

    Let me know should anybody else notice the same thing :)

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    1. 6 people are in my top 20 , and I never chatted with them.

      - 1, I never looked at or communicate with ( private or public)
      - 3, I had a lot of public interactions but no private messages
      - And 2 posted on my wall for my birthday in May but nothing else.

      Facebook is different for each of us. It is a little bit personalized I would say.

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    2. That is how it appears to those of us looking at it... I would just like to know how they personalize it :P

      I understand that we personalize our news feeds , either by telling FB by listing people as close / family etc etc and that those we like / visit more often are part of it too

      The top 9 is far more interesting for me but I think most of us are getting ready for the next FB change which makes us sit up and wonder ..

      Piliap isn't really telling me anything other than who I have chatted with recently / messaged. Just the fact that some of my better friends are ranked lower than those who I wouldn't even know their surname if it wasn't there in front of me is enough. It's definitely not a stalker list .. from me or others.

      If only the keesh list worked for me .... then I would have more to ponder over :)

      I do agree.. we seem to see different things and I wonder if there are many different versions of FB about... as if version 2.1 for example shows me stuff and you use 2.11 and see similarities but not the same

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    3. As I have said many times before I don't have lists. But, it makes me curious how my mom has jumped to number 1 in both my box of 9 and piliapp lists. I haven't checked out her page, not sure if she has looked at mine. I made friends with a guy I had been following on Twitter before her and he hasn't shown up in either list. I don't recall him liking any of my posts the way she has. With my mom liking my posts and now being number 1 it makes me wonder if the cutie I have stalked has checked out my page. He hasn't like anything of mine as I have his. We have exchanged private messages. The last time was about 2 months ago.

      As far as different versions of Facebook. I think it might be the version your operating system is as well. I don't know what 2.1 or 2.11 is but, I use internet Explorer. My desktop is on Vista while my laptop Windows 7. I rarely use my desktop so I don't know how Facebook would appear to me on it.

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  55. "Piliap isn't really telling me anything other than who I have chatted with recently / messaged."

    I'm not agree with you on that point. It's a chat friends list, so it's logic that people you chat with came first. But if don't have many interactions with people, or not at all for a time, I think it could show you some interesting things.

    I think it makes sense to list people who you care about, and people who care about you.
    You said it , your good friends are ranked lower than those you don't interact with, that's not logic....And the algo changed a few weeks ago. That could be an explanation. Now I have random people at the top of my list.


    Fb will not admit that, but I think they takes into account whether they've been stalking you and lists them to help play matchmaker and get you to talk to them. Nothing is random in computer land...

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  56. No you're correct about the random, but of course we are guessing based on what we see and think. FB won't say and we can only guess.

    Piliap .. chat list... messages... doesn't factor in my stalker who has me listed as a close friend, who always likes every single thing I post. If anything was to be factored into the piliap other than chats, then she should be top by a country mile..

    at least my 9 box makes sense, and it defintely doesn't just work on recent chats and messages which my piliap seems to do

    For me the difference between my hopes and what I can ascertain is as wide as ever

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    1. I'm not hoping anything you know, ,just telling what I see just like you. That's what I say fb is diffetent for each of us. What you're experimenting is not the case for me. Say that close friend don't even show at the top? For me yes. All my good friends,( except the 6 I was talking about) those I chat, message, like, or anything else as interactions private or public, are at the top of my list. All.... third is someone I NEVER talked to in private messages. But we do have a lot of public intetactions. So that list is more complex than just a chat list. For me it's not just a chat list.

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  57. Do you have them listed as a close friend ?

    It splits up my friends and aquaintances but only recently

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    1. At least you can see something from this list then. I can gather no conclusions other than the recent chats...

      There isn't anything there for me to see ... shame if we can't all see similarities

      :(

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    2. "There isn't anything there for me to see ... shame if we can't all see similarities

      :("
      That's what we call manipulation. Don't base your conclusions on what fb want to show you. I guess you have a crush? It's not because she's nowhere on your 9 box or the last on your piliap list that she's not interested in you.

      Same with the time stamp.... People are becoming suspicious and paranoid because of that time next to their name. What is that? It's not even accurate.

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    3. I just assumed that number indicated how long it's been since the person was on FB. One day I was on and the guy I've crushing on/stalking, had 30m by his name and next thing I know he signed on and jumped to number 1 on this list. I never thought much more about that.

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  58. No ... no crush... couldn't work out why somebody was in my 9 box when I haven't interacted in 7 months +

    Not sure I know what time stamp you mean... messages ? When they are read.. ?

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    1. No I'm talking about when you open the chat bar on the right when you are on the internet site via a laptop or a computer. You see a time listed next to some of your friends name such as: 5m, 1h, or 2d (to the left of the mobile phone icon)

      Or on FB mobile app, and the FB Messenger, their time stamp remains next to their name. It indicates when a person was last active on Facebook... I don't like that at all!

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    2. Ah ok .... I don't use chat much... hardly ever log online. I do answer messages. I know what you mean now.

      Much like the message send report time.. I am not so keen on that, highlights to people you are ignoring them..when perhaps you are just busy



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    3. "Much like the message send report time.. I am not so keen on that, highlights to people you are ignoring them..when perhaps you are just busy"

      Yeah... I heard that some couples broke up just because of that last active stamp. You know it update automatically every hours or something like that I believe, even at night. So people think you don't sleep at all or you're talking to someone.... It goes a bit to far.

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  59. No disrespect, but not all of us have special lists: family, close friends etc.

    I myself don't have any so I know for sure my box of 9 and piliapp are not dictated by lists. I can say that so far they have coincided with one another. So, I am left thinking mine are based on interactions alone.

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    1. Yep ... my 9 box seems right ish to me based on interactions. Piliap list for me , has the most recent chats / messages but I don't log onto the chat much.

      My 9 box isn't showing much movement since the last new entry but yesterday I had lots of birthday messages posted on my wall... so Zuck is probably adding them up right now and is going to change the order again :)

      Some people hadn't realised that by listing people you could alter the position. When no name , anonymous people post about it here , it's hard not to ask the same questions.. because not everybody reads all the way down :)

      9 and piliap work differently , can't say anything for sure about either. Some people are reporting different things.

      For me ..if 1 person sends me 1 private birthday message and moves from 25 to 1 on the piliap... it's because they are most recent chat / msg

      have to see if the list changes around after a few days with nothing happening

      I did have a new "person you may know" who appears under the first letter of her name when typed into the search bar... that's all that's new for me

      Piliap altered for me the other week as I mentioned..but not everybody noticed... and it's very possible we are using different versions...rather than seeing the same info and coming up with wildly different conclusions.

      I'll spend the rest of the week trying to log on to FB less and see if things switch around, Becky thinks there is lag in the data sometimes... and my 9 has at times changed quickly... and also after a few days.

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    2. Happy late Birthday, Mark. Sounding like a broken record as always. My 9 and piliapp list were the same last time I logged in which was last week. Right now, I would like figure out how my mom became number 1 in 9 and piliapp list. I haven't liked, commented or messaged her at all, but suddenly she's number 1. Another thing I noticed. When I logged in the guy I stalked was low on my list of 15. He signed in a few minutes after I did and jumped to number 1. Facebook definitely wants to keep us guessing.

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    3. Thanks :) Yeah FB wants us to keep guessing, they don't want the answers to be known. It's the one thing I can say without any hesitation ..I also think very strongly... we are seeing different versions and not just different interpretations of the data. My piliap and 9 are wildly different, even with heavy traffic for my birthday it has gone haywire with the recent messages

      Happily in a way, the member of my 9 has slipped down (whose presence I couldn't explain) didn't wish me a happy birthday and hopefully they won't reappear. If they do... well that's their interactions that will cause it.

      So... my piliap has gone haywire while my 9 is now static... no change in a week...which is opposite of normal for me

      baffled..baffled .....baffled

      I can offer no insight into your situation... most intriguing... top of the piliap with no listing or anything.... that surprises me...

      I'd love it if we could see something and say for sure....

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    4. I just never felt the need to create special lists for family and/or friends. Maybe if I spent a little more time on Facebook it would make a little more sense as to how she has jumped to number 1 so quickly. It makes me wonder if it does cut both ways. The guy I have stalked in the past just recently started appearing in my 9 box again or at all, that I have paid attention to. Maybe its because he is spending more time on Facebook like he did when we first made friends. (Maggio)

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    5. Maggio , I could only guess why she shot to number 1 if you aren't interacting / messaging or listing her.

      Many thought mutual interactions might push people higher... messages / chats that are replied to can cause it for me. However.. I can't make heads or tails of it when it comes to the piliap list as it has gone haywire recently while my 9 box has hardly changed in 3 weeks

      I think if somebody moves in and out of your 9 with no input from you it could be just his interactions. However , if you interacted / visitied a lot before it could be the scores settling down ..if they use short term / long term scores as a basis for the 9 box..

      can't say anything that isn't a guess and don't like getting peoples hopes up for nothing

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    6. Mark, that's fine. Your input has been helpful. What I have been reading here and what I have been seeing when I'm there does have me thinking it's more than what we do as far as interactions on our end. I haven't been on Facebook in maybe a week now. So, I will see if she is still at number 1 on both lists ( 9 box and piliapp) once I choose to log in again. It's been very interesting to me.

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    7. Others actions will definitely have a bearing which is why I always try and encourage others to not artifically attribute a higher ranking via lists .. or in settings .. to see more of certain people / or less etc.

      How much of a bearing their actions have is probably not as much as we might hope. There are loads of factors... tagged photos , history of messages.. loads of things that may factor in.

      Perfectly plausible that the affinity (always mentioned with regards to the edgerank algo) degrades over time

      What I have noticed lately is that a disconnect has appeared between the 8 ( on the about page) and my 9 box. My piliap went haywire with both a change of some sort and messages for my birthday.

      In the past .. the top 8 were all part of my 9 box but no longer but I have never been so confident in the only thing I feel very strongly about, we are seeing different versions of the algo ( or whatever it is) providing lots of us with different readings

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    8. If I understand you correctly, I have tried that too. Only clicking like on certain posts so that people won't suddenly flood my newsfeed. I former classmate listed me as her cousin. I was okay with it until she and her boyfriend broke up. She spent a great deal of time posting things and uploading ecards and such dealing with the breakup. I recently decided to remove her as a family member and from my newsfeed. I removed another person from my newsfeed both their posts were overload. I guess I was also trying to manipulate my newsfeed myself.

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  60. Am I the only person who only has a top 6? I haven't had a top 9 since they got rid of the two friends lists they used to show.

    On both my phone app and on my computer it only shows me my top 6

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    1. 6 on the mobile app for as long as i can remember

      8 on the about page...(which usualy is 8 out of my 9 box)

      9 box since a good while ago when the timeline changes swept in.

      Again, we didn't all get that at the same time... could be the same with algos... who can say

      6 seemed to make more sense, especially when you could guess somebody was online. I use the mobile app sometimes..but it's handiest feature was to be able to see some of those online.. without logging on :)

      wish I had the 6 back :)

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    2. Yes I have the top 8 on the about me page, but the just the top 6 on the others. I've had that since the big change a long time ago, then about a month ago I got the new newsfeed and still have the top 6.

      Just everyone on here was talking about top 9 and i was like am i missing something ? haha

      Hm so i wonder if my algos are completely different. Always changing it once I thought i figured a little something out hahaha

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  61. also baffled about the overlap between YOUR top 9 and the top 9 viewable to friends. usually just one or two people will be the same; and of course, again, all people from both lists are in my top 20. so my crush is in my top 9 viewable by me and by my "friend" dummy account.

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    1. For me they aren't. I recently viewed my timeline through my mom's account and everyone that appeared in my 9 aren't people I see when I'm logged in. But, as it's been said many times, we are all experiencing something different. Very interesting.

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  62. well like i said there is usually only minimal overlap (1-3) people in my case between who your friends see and who you see in your top 9. but they should all be in your top 20 friends on that page.

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  63. this has now changed. people in my top 9 viewable to friends are now from both the top 20 tier and the next 20 tier.

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  64. i am experimenting with the lists too for almost a month now, i can confirm about the messages/chat history in the 9 friends list, my number #1 is my crash and the person i exchanged most messages with, also stalked A LOT, and even if it has been more than two months that i stopped stalking and messaging he didn't move from the first place

    he is also almost constantly first on the source/chat list, that changes only for a day or two when i chat with someone.

    i also have to mention something strange. about a month ago, when i found about the source list and started watching it, i had changed my profile pic and it had lots of comments and likes, so i assume lots of people looked at it. Well in the top 10 of the source list, were friends that did not comment or like it and we had no interaction at all for a long time, and the second in the list was the ex girlfriend of my ex boyfriend, which is not even a friend . that rank lasted for about a week, then it started mirroring the chat list. Strange isn't it? i mean if this is the chat FRIENDS list how someone who is not a friend and never chatted with can appear there??

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    1. A stranger in the piliap list ? Never seen that happen before. A lot of people had strangers in their keesh lists when it first appeared but I thought ( and read) that FB had plugged that leak

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    2. Nope. I was still getting strangers appearing in my Keeshlist as recently as yesterday. Including a name that keeps cropping up when I type the first letter of his name in FB search. Instead of a friend's name showing up, this guy does. Never heard of him, purposely never visited his page. Weird.

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  65. Hello - I have been following this discussion with great interest, and don't really have anything to add. But, I've been wondering, and you are all such experts I thought I would ask: I have hidden Friends at various time from my newsfeed, for one reason or another, but have wondered - if you hide a Friend from newsfeed, do you see any posts by them on your wall? You know, like a "hey, what are you up to?"

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    1. yes they can, had many birthday messages from people writing on my wall recently

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  66. Today the page source code has drastically changed, yet again! And so the Piliapp reflects this too. I am guessing from what I have been reading, that Facebook may be testing something like chatrooms, so perhaps this has caused things to be changed in the source code for initialchatfriendslist. Some people have moved a few places but most have had drastic movement to far away places. Did notice that someone who is a new friend but never chatted with, commented on my post and I replied with another comment with a link to his name (which I guess would be similar to a tag?), moved straight to number 1 on the Piliapp - which I had thought used to be firstly and foremost showing chat/messaging friends. So far, box 9 haven't drastically changed yet but maybe will follow in line with whatever Facebook is up to, and I am guessing has to do with these chatrooms: http://www.insidefacebook.com/category/chat/

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    1. Yes have noticed a lot of movement recently. 9 box is fairly static too

      also, the search box has reset and some of the people I have clicked on are no longer automatically there when I type in the first letter of their name

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    2. also changed in the initialchatfriendslist, is that the numbers ending in -3 and -0 are now scattered all over the place, when before they were more closely placed next to each other or a few places away, whereas the Piliapp only picks up the order of numbers ending in -2. Even before this drastic change, I haven't been able to find a definite pattern to what -3 and -0 meant because they would regularly swap around being in front of the other, and seem to do it across the board with everyone, whether there are interactions in either direction or not. There were friends that were in e.g. the 20s position on the Piliapp before the change, that are now in the 70s position and others that seem to jump around, some big distances, during a period of hours. I haven't chatted or messaged anyone for more than a month but noticed the people placed near the top rows of the Piliapp (with whom i have in the past chatted/messaged with) are more or less constant with small movement, but rows further down have bigger jumps in their order. Wonder if this list or more precisely the -2 order is putting people that have chat turned on/or have the ability on their mobile phone or desktop, etc. and are placed accordingly to the likelihood of us using chat/chatrooms with them. E.g. the friend that jumped from 20s to 70s never has chat turned on or have never used it and so is right near the bottom of the list. ??? all speculation and going further and further away from knowing who checks your profile. Some very confidently say that the box 9 is more an indication of this, and the friend in the 70s position in the Piliapp order is number 4 in the box 9, there is no interactions either way and last time i viewed his profile was way over a month ago and wonder if he views mine, as he is the only one in the box that have no public interaction with me for more than 10 months.
      i have done one test in the past with a fake account, put that friend in the close friends list and removed after a couple of days. So that fake friend appeared briefly in the box 9 at #4 and then during the transition of being completely removed from the box 9, (there is always 2 patterns to the box 9, i noticed, when doing these transitions), this fake friend jumped up to #3 position purely on viewing my profile and photos for 2 weeks, before completely being removed from the box 9 (ending of transition time after being removed from close friends list). Now when there are no transitions, the box 9 only ever show one pattern.

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  67. Piliap and actual chat list are wildly different for me at the moment. Zuck and friends are tinkering again.


    anybody with a working keesh list noticing changes ?

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  68. piliap and chat are slightly different for me too..

    for the past two weeks my crush that was almost always in the first 2-3 places in both lists, moved to the 10th place on piliap with the -0 and -3 dooooown below, and disappeared from the chatlist. (we still have no interaction, and i still not visit his profile or open photos or like pages of his)

    then yesterday, an old boyfriend added me and he posted on my wall saying something flirty..

    today my crush is on the first place in both lists, and the -0 and -3 are very close on top again... could that be a sign that he looks my profile???
    (well,more likely my question is sign that i am still in love, arghhhh....but..maybe????


    ps. the keesh list does not make any sense to me, there are some minor changes every now and then, but quite irrelevant ...

    (i am the anonymous with the non friend on piliap. Lol, i might be famous for that,hahahaha)

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  69. Any theories as to why a deactivated account has moved up to my top 20!?

    I noticed it about 2-3 weeks ago. This person is my ex boyfriend - he deactivated his account about 2 years ago. Therefore, I have had zero interaction with his profile for a very long time....

    I have other deactivated accounts in my friends list and they have never been up there...

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    1. My top 20 went haywire recently ...so I was thinking it's all on FB's end...

      changes...changes ...

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    2. I was thinking it was some new thing they were up to! But none of my other friends changed from the top 20 and they all can be explained so who knows..

      Its actually a strange coincidence though because we just happen to stop talking about three months ago so its hard not to think it is a profile viewing situation..I know you can log into deactivated accounts...thought this might interest some people:)

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  70. well my top 20 is no longer static so I am unsure if anything I notice is anything worthwhile. My whole friends list seems to rotate, where it used to be top 20 always shifting around only

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  71. my observations of the changes. the chat list now definitely follows the order of -0 of the source code. Piliapp as always, since before the changes still show the order of the -2 of the source code as it was made to pick up the -2, which also used to be the order of the chat list but no more. after some long observations and test, i have noticed that -0 and -3 seem to move based on our own/2-way interaction with the other party, and possibly -2 based on our views and maybe the other party's views of us. when an interaction or views happens from us, positions jump up but if no more interaction, the position will slowly move down again, there is always a transition period of moving back and forth before settling into final position if there is no more interactions. as for the more static entrenched positions in the top 20 of the piliapp or -2, seem to be based on people you have in the past (even if no longer) chatted/private messaged, tagged, new friends and those that you have more regular interactions with. unfortunately -2, -3 or -0 don't seem to indicate conclusively that it shows private views of other party of us - i have tested this. but only seem to move more by interactions from us to them or public interactions from them to us. i can only say perhaps the box 9 may be the one showing the stalkers, am still testing this. there is one person in #4 position in my box 9, the only one with whom there is no public interaction either way for months and months, and no private views from me. this person stays near the end on my piliapp but sits at #4 in my box 9, everyone else in the box 9 can be explained and are also tops in piliapp.

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  72. Can someone explain what you mean by -0,-2,-3 I am trying to figure it out and I'm not sure what you are referring to with that.

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    1. If you log into Facebook, right click, and select "view page source," you'll get a bunch of code, which is what people are copying and pasting into this link to get (one of) Facebook's friend rankings.

      The ranking comes from the part of the code that starts "InitialChatFriendsList;" following that is a list of numbers corresponding to the profiles of your friends. The numbers have a dash after them followed by the numbers 0, 2, or 3, so if your first friend was (and I'm totally just making this number up, by the way) 9874653, that person would be represented at the top of the list as 9874653-2, but then might show up later on as 9874653-3, and yet again as 9874653-0. The "2" suffix right now seems to be the definitive one for ranking, but the question still remains what the "0" and the "3" mean...

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  73. -1 seems to be for those I have hidden from web base chat (although mobile doesn't seem to block them )

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  74. hmm, my top 20 has changed a bit but is mostly the same. and remember! things will look different when viewed from a non-connected account! i do this from a work account (i work from home and use facebook for work-related activities). the people in your top 9 will shop up in each respective person's top 20. BUT ONLY FROM A NON-CONNECTED (not friended) ACCOUNT.

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  75. I'm not sure if a situation like this has been brought up before but I thought I would share. A second cousin of mine whom I never interact with on Facebook never comes out of my top 9. She's always in the bottom row. I know she GOES on Facebook, but she doesn't post anything ever... no status updates, no pictures, we don't chat, she doesn't like anything I post, nor are we listed as relatives (I don't have groups set, regardless).

    It was bothering me as to why she was stuck there and I just checked and I realized she ONLY HAS 5 friends on Facebook! Her daughter, my parents and my sister. Out of those 5 people, I'm absolutely the most active on Facebook. Therefore, every time she's logging on, 9/10 times she's reading my statuses or clicking on things I post. And I know she's looking at things because she'll tell me in person she's seen something on Facebook (but like I said, she'll never actually comment/like).

    Is she coming up in my Top 9 because she's "accidentally" stalking me due to only having 5 friends, and out of the 5 I'm all over her newsfeed the most?

    Or is it because her only other 4 friends are also my friends - 3 of whom being my parents and my sister?

    Just an interesting observation. I'm sold on the fact that most of the top 9 has to do with mutual interaction, but for the 1 or 2 randoms... hmmmm....



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    1. It sounds to me she is definitely spending a great deal of time checking out your things. I think that is how we end up on others list and vice versa. Mutual interaction also plays a role in it as well.

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    2. yours is a very interesting observation indeed. i am assuming that you never visit her profile or view her timeline, etc. i don't think she is there based on mutual friends but more on the fact that she actively views your stuff so much more than others. i have been trying to get a fake account to get into my box 9 just by viewing my profile daily and going through my photos, etc. for like weeks with no mutual views from me, but still not showing up yet. but when i view my box 9 from another account holder, this fake account shows up! maybe random? sometimes it seems there are 2 sets of different 9 people when viewed from an external account.

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  76. My nine hasn't changed in forever. I added my mother as a family member and she bumped out my ex-girlfriend. So now it's eight family members (mom, two brothers, two sisters, grandmother, cousin, aunt) and my best friend. The piliapp seems to have gone from completely random to a little more reflective of what I think the overall interactions, both for me and for my friends on my profile should be. Anyone who has been recently added as a friend (about 8 in the past two months or so) start off at the top or in the top 4 then gradually fade down into the pack. Anyone who I've had Facebook chats with zoom right up the list (my top two in the piliapp currently are a former coworker and my best friend from high school, both of whom I had recent Facebook chats with). Others in the top 10 are three people I've recently became friends with, a girl I hooked up with a few months ago whose page I go to every so often, a friend who I had a Facebook chat with three months ago who occasionally likes or comments on stuff, a friend's girlfriend who I have had tagged in recent photos/status updates, my younger sister (who was recently tagged in a photo with me) and my ex-girlfriend, whose page I go to rarely and who I haven't had any Facebook interaction with in about six weeks. A lot of my other friends/close relatives/recent friend adds are in the 11-20 range.

    A couple other things I've noticed. a) the piliapp tends to reshuffle slightly several times during the day. At one time my ex will be in the No. 6 spot, then I check in the early evening, she's 23rd. Then I check at night, she's No. 7. So I don't know what that's about. b) it doesn't seem to mimic the chat order anymore. I mean, it's pretty similar, but there is a little bit of shuffling. What does it all mean? Who knows.

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    1. you are right the piliapp seems to have 2/3 patterns it cycles, and it doesn't reflect the chat order anymore, only the order of the -0 numbers from the page source code shows the correct order. the piliapp takes its order from the numbers that end in -2 of the page source code.

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  77. Every time I add a new photo my top friends Rotate. Its still the same people that were always on there that pop or would come off and come back on. but facebook seems to make the change when I add a new photo. So im wondering if the people that come up are the ones that viewed my page or photo. Also I had a guy I kept talking as my number 1 friend and he would not budge. I took him off my news feed and listed him as an acquaintance so the next day he came off my top friends completely. I haven't viewed his page, no interaction. last night I uploaded a new photo. And today I log in and he is my Number 1 friend again. Ugh!

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    1. Well it's perfectly normal to have some rotation when you add material, likewise I had a new entry into my 9 ( Piliap has gone haywire lately and is only representing recent messages) which was down to mutualy liking each others holiday snaps

      Often things settle down when the recent photos / updates dissapear from view. I read somewhere it was based on the last 6 weeks activity but for many of us we have people there with no interaction for longer than that.

      Sadly we can only guess and presume that page views play a role. I am sure many of us are trying to ensure we don't visit other peoples pages while we are trying to see what's going on with our 9's

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  78. My best friend has occupied the number 1 spot in my 9 box since I've had it. Four weeks ago, her position started fluctuating with the guy who held the #2 spot. (Incidentally me and this guy had a private chat, flirty thing going on for awhile).

    Back to the changes that started last month. At night, she'd be #1, by morning, back to #2 for the day and my guy friend was #1. Then at night she'd jump into #1 position only to fall back to 2 in the morning.

    We decided to experiment two weeks ago. I put her as an acquaintance and she got stuck in #2. That's right. An acquaintance in my 9. Guy stayed #1. I blocked and unfriended her for one day then added her back again as an acquaintance. For 5 days she was completely out of my nine. Appeared low on my piliapp and low on my Keesh. She had always been top 10.

    Then yesterday, boom. Up to #2 in my 9 box again. Tonight, she holds the #1 spot.

    We have by far the most chat messages and she likes and comments on most of my stuff. I occasionally do the same on hers, providing as many likes and comments as I do with guy who is now #2. Guy in question doesn't do nearly as much on FB as my friend and I, but when he is on will like, comment and share many of my statuses/posts.

    I have to guess from this that longtime, mutual activity with one person has a huge impact on whether someone makes it into your 9 and stays or comes back. FB obviously has a pretty sophisticated algorithm. I am baffled.

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  79. The comment from Anonymous on July 24th about people's 20 being different (and maybe significant?) when viewed from a nonconnected account piqued my curiosity, so I did my own little experiment. I created a fake account and viewed a few of my friends' friends lists from it. My real account showed up in both of my stalkees' lists, but they weren't in mine. Reloads resulted in the same top 20 for each. I worry that this shows the people who visit our profiles (i.e. reveals stalkers [i.e. me]).

    However... a guy who I'd dated for a bit and I know has viewed my profile and messaged me recently wasn't included in my real account's 20. The enigma continues.

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  80. I decided to test the theory of private messages being the main determiner of the top spots, specifically #1 spot.

    Background: My group of 9 is VERY consistent, I don't remember it ever changing much since it first appeared. In #1 spot there has been a guy that I used to chat with a LOT, had him listed as a Close Friend and visited his profile on a daily basis, sometimes several times a day. Makes sense that he was #1, right?

    Awhile ago, we fell out, I completely stopped chatting to him, removed him from my Close Friends list (but did not block/unfriend/acquaintance him), made him invisible on my news feed and significantly reduced viewing his profile to once a week or so. For 6 weeks exactly, he stayed in my #1 spot.
    6 weeks to the day after the last PM we exchanged, he started falling on my list of 9 friends until approximately a week later, he was in #6 spot. This was four days ago. I have been very careful not to view his profile or interact in ANY way in the meantime.
    Today, he sprung back up to #1.

    So yeah, not convinced it is the private messages alone. Also not convinced the actions of the other party (i.e. profile/photo views) are not involved in the ranking.

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  81. I think most of us are convinced that all our actions add up into a score, that score is used to determine the position in the 9.

    Messages are usually mutual ( ie both send and receive).. we can't be sure as to page views unless they click like on stuff.

    I have always tried to base my reasons on things that I know happen. So if somebody clicks like or sends me a message I know for sure they have interacted with me. I would guess me visiting a profile and cycling through photos / page would have a bearing but much less of a bearing if I don't click like or msg them.

    I was wondering about scores degrading over time but then it made me think about the other 8 in the box and those scores degrading too. I had somebody move up for a few weeks only to later slip down with no known interaction on my part. Without knowing what they were up to or whether my other 8 friends in the box did less than usual it's hard to say.

    Often when we click like on a link / photo we can remind others of us, which spurs on mutual liking on things etc.

    As for messages, if we are replying then I think they hold more weight than page visits but I think some people would notice very easily if our hidden profile visits on a daily basis to gaze at their photos made us shoot into their 9 box

    In other news, I have 2 people in the 8 box ( about page) who don't appear in my 9 box on main page... baffled as ever.

    always like getting the views of others :)

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  82. Massively enjoy trying to figure this out! To add to the confusion of it all, Your top 9 appears completely different to everyone on your facebook! If you go to your own facebook page and click 'View As..' you can then view it as any specific facebook friend... I tested this with my house mate, and sure enough, the top 9 it told me she would see, she did, and then vice versa.

    Also, have you noticed how it never shows you in anyones top 9?

    Thoughts?

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  83. P.s The 9 my housemate could see, were completely different to the ones i could see on my own profile, plus when i viewed it as various other people the 9 were also different with each person.

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  84. I've noticed that when viewed from a disconnected account, someone's top 9 cycles when refreshed between 10 friends from their top 20 (or at least the top 20 that show up when you view their friends' page). Interesting.

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    1. Hard enough to see how our own top 9 is made up but most are aware we won't show up in other peoples even if we know for sure we are always number 1

      when we view other peoples top 9's it seems to be a randomised selection and not the same as when we view our own. Often I have seen a few mutual friends, their family and a few who FB thinks I might know but it has never represented who they have told me populate their top 9. We often see differences though so that can be taken with a pinch of salt.

      Fb gives us the odd clue ( perhaps ) but do not want to tell us for sure who visits us. Who is to say they won't offer an opt in opt out visitor log in the future ? Or perhaps try charging us for it ?

      I think our stalking activities are safe unless we telegraph the fact we have been on their profile, by liking a year old photo or news item... or by messaging them etc etc

      That points conversely to our stalkers, if they are just looking we are unlikely to know for sure.

      but many of us have seen a random pop onto our 9 and vanish a day later or somebody climb a few places only to drop again a while later. With no input from us..it would look like a clue to a visit

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  85. someone stucks on the 9# spot (bottom right)..what doe it mean?

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    1. hard to say without other information, such as do you have family, close friends, friends listed differently etc

      for most it will just mean they are Facebooks idea of your 9th best needed shortcut or the 9th person you will interact with more than the rest of your friends below them.

      hard to say for sure. some of us have fairly static 9 boxes for a while with little movement

      do you interact with them regularly ?

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  86. argh, so tired of this. what's going on with the new friends populating my top 9? three are guys i recently friended (dated a couple) and chat with occasionally. when i look at my top 20, they are there. however, they do NOT show up when viewed from a disconnected account(by the way, i'm the anonymous person who's been on about that for some time). the rest are people i interact with frequently, though a couple i've never chatted with (we post/re-post a lot of each other's articles). my best girlfriend is sliding off as she's on less frequently. we have a large tally of messages, but she's degrading fast. finally, we have my former crush, with whom i have a shit-ton of messages, but we rarely interact anymore. he'll come in and out of my 9, and usually after i click on something of his or visit his page. i have no idea if he's looking at my account much anymore (i'm certain he was doing this a lot at one point), but he did comment on something recently so i know he's paying at least some attention. in any case, since clicking on the profile/viewing pictures is only apparently enough to bump them up very briefly, i don't think "stalking" has a huge impact, unless it's mutual. my conclusion is that i am looking at his account more than he is mine, which makes sense given he has a lot more friends than i do.

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    1. I always expect a lot of traffic to and from new friend additions, this has always settled down soon after for me.

      I've always assumed if we visit somebodies profile regularly enough, FB will provide us with a shortcut.. either their face in our 9 box .. or put them very high up in the list in the search bar when you type the first letter of their name

      these seem to stay there a long time, the blogs author and I exchanged a few messages and she still appears when I type B or H and I haven't messaged or visited for 2 months.... ( sorry Becky :P )

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  87. i really don't think the new additions are visiting my profile that much, but who knows? this never happened in the past.

    as for fb providing a shortcut, sure, i get that, but when you also appear in their top 20 or in their public top 9 and perhaps personal top 9 (i always have some overlap, so i assume others do)), then what message does this send? that strangers viewing their "public" account will see me and know that i stalk them sometimes? like it's a Yelp review? "so-and-so likes this person, you might too! friend them!" it just seems like something that would be kept one-sided (private) and unless there was a fair amount of mutual activity, you would never appear in their personal or public top 9.

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  88. also, based on their top 9/top 20 when viewed from a disconnected account, all the others make sense. family, close friends, exes i'm pretty certain that they still talk to a lot, based on previous conversations.

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    1. I am pretty sure (based on Becky and mine trials) if you have a dummy account with no mutual friends of the person you are stalking you cannot be found out. I tried for 3 months solid but the author never noticed me. With that said , where you do have mutual friends there are loads of stories where people have appeared as if by magic in the people you may know list.

      When we get to others top 9 box , from my own observations and a few good friends letting me know who is on theirs.. I can never see the same thing.. just a randomised selection , not always showing all their family or listed close friends. So I am unsure about that aspect

      I have at times noticed a few names which I don't know when I type in the first letter in the search bar ... which has always made me wonder.

      For now my 9 makes sense, piliap doesn't by a long way. I feel sure FB tweaks from time to time to keep us on our toes

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  89. ah, ok, figured it out re: the 3 recent additions being in my top 9. though i do interact with them a bit, i realized that they were left as "friends" with a check mark instead of as "acquaintances" - the default setting i use to even everything out. i also went back and tweaked it so that all my friends are acquaintances, even though those remaining as "friends" were people i never interact with. then voila! my top 9 changed a lot. except for one recent addition, the new ones were gone; ex-crush in the #6 slot, best friend in #5, and someone i had forgotten to uncheck as "friend" in the #9 slot. worth noting, too, is i used her name in conjunction with the "view as" feature shortly before. does that count as a stalk? i can't imagine that would out-weigh my chatting and postings with other people i've done today and recently. i can only assume b/c she was the last one check-marked as a "friend" and that she will drop off very soon.

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  90. Okay so let me make sure I am on the same page as everyone.

    I made a fake account to test some things you that you were all talking about. Went on my ex's account and looked at his top 9, refreshed a couple of times, and the same 9 people kept shuffling around. I then went to his top 20 and I was always in the top 10 within every refresh. (I honestly don't go on his profile often. He honestly posts something maybe once every 3 months so it's not like i click on something of his I see on the newsfeed. Yes I am tempted to check out his profile, but I know he doesn't ever write/post anything so I know I'm not missing anything haha)

    I then visited my own facebook page and did the same test. Refreshed my page a bunch of times and I had the same top 9 shuffled around and my ex is listed every time. Went to my top 20 and he was always in the top 5.

    I have zero friends on my fake dummy account, used a different web browser then normally, and found these results.

    My ex and I haven't had any contact (messages, comments, likes, etc) on my normal account in a long time

    When I am looking at my top 9 and top 20 from the dummy account it's 100% believable. Everyone else is people that both them and I have lots of mutual interaction, but is different then the top 9/20 I have when I am looking at my friends as my real account (the top 9 i see while using my dummy account is MUCH more believable)

    What are everyones results when looking from a dummy account? Which top 9 is more believable to you? Does it look like my ex is stalking me?

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  91. my top 9 and dummy top 9 overlap a bit. there is also about a 50/50 overlap in the top 8 (usually these are at the bottom of the "about me" section). usually all the people both top 9s are in my personal top 20; now this is not the case. some are from the next tier, but are people i think read my posts a lot but don't comment much due to work/family considerations. but by and large, they all make sense. my top 20 vs my dummy top 20 are also different; the dummy top 20 includes people who are in the 2nd tier in my personal top 20 (the aforementioned viewers). NOW, what has changed (for me anyway, since i made sure EVERYONE was listed as acquaintances), was that people who are apparently viewing my page are now showing up briefly in bottom row of my personal top 9. one is a semi-recent addition and it would make total sense that they'd be scouting my profile.

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  92. Interesting! Is your ex in your top 20 when you view it from your own account? And how much time exactly is the "long time" you've had since mutual contact?

    I've also been playing around with dummy accounts and the top 20 list. From what I have seen, the top 20 shuffles around when reloaded, but the same names will always appear in it somewhere (at least in the short-term) - i.e., I didn't see any significance tied to the top 10 or 5 spots in the top 20. I also noticed something else interesting, unexpected, and maybe a little alarming:

    The "view as public" option for your account may not actually show you what the public sees.

    It doesn't for me, or my sister. There's a three-person difference between my view-as public option and what my actual public (dummy) account shows. The former hides a stalker (my mom's friend who I know looks at/likes/shares my stuff a lot) and one of my stalkees (a crush's girlfriend with whom I haven't mutually interacted much). The third is a regular old facebook friend with no definitive stalker/stalkee characteristics. Perhaps significantly, facebook does not include the stalker lady in my top 20 when I view it as myself (swaps her out for #3).

    I was wondering if this was isolated to me, so I logged in as my sister and checked out the same stuff on her account. She had 4 differences between lists (one of which was the same stalker-lady friend of our mom's mentioned above). Of them, none has she had much interaction with on her side = the assignment seems to be based mostly on their activity. VERY interestingly (to me), was that my crush was included in my sister's four. They know each other only vaguely through me, and never interact on facebook except for some "likes" on his part. He was also high up on her piliap, at #19 (I'm #18 on her piliap, and #1 in her 9-box). My own piliap seems to be based mostly on messages, yet my sister and my crush have never messaged each other. Strange.

    Another explanation was that facebook somehow knew it was me even when I was logged into my sister's or my dummy account (IP address?) and skewed the results. Because... well, of her 500-some friends, three of her four outliers were mutual friends (one was even my best friend/#1 in my 9-box). Anybody ever try this from different computers/locations?

    So. Confused.

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    1. No my ex isn't usually featured in my top 20 normally. He is usually number 21-25 and just misses the top 20 rank. When I look at my top 20 from my real account it is mostly people who I had a recent facebook IM convo with or someone who recently commented on my wall. When I look at my top 20 from my fake account it is people I overall interact with the most. My real top 9 and top 20 really have RANDOM people that I know never use their facebook, but just recently messaged me something (work related).

      Even while we were dating we never went "facebook official" / never commented on walls/pictures etc. I think I liked one of his profile pictures (when we first starting "talking") and he commented on one of mine. We only facebook messaged when we first started talking, then once we exchanged numbers we never interacted on facebook. Last interaction would probably be about 6-9 months ago, but we still text and interact in that way randomly.

      Def. use another computer and location and test the results again. I used another browser first, then went to another computer, then used another computer and location. I had the same results when I used another internet browser and when I want to another location and used a new computer. Still had the ex in my top 9 and top 20.

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  93. i am the one who first started posting about viewing from a disconnected account, and have only ever done so from a different IP. i usually show up in the public top 9 for my ex-crush, and i do look at their profile sometimes, but they have a lot of friends, including members of the opposite sex so i really don't think i'm out-viewing all these people...he also appears in my public 9, and my private 9, as well as my public and private top 20. i'm also in his public top 20. so maybe that implies we're stalking each other? even if only minimally. they have so many more friends than me so i wonder if they are looking at my posts/profile much more so than their other friends'?

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  94. Oh man. So I logged into my dummy account and checked to see whether I was in the public top 20 of all those in my top 20. And I was, and it kinda made sense. Then I decided how far down I could go through my (real account's) friends list (still via my dummy account) before I dropped off their lists. I kept going, and going, and still I was on there. I skipped to the end, the people who I barely know and have never interacted with on facebook. And there I was, in their public top 20.

    Much as I'd love to be so popular, there's no way I would be included in everyone's top 20. Looks like facebook caught me in my own game. I thought that maybe accessing people's lists by first clicking on my real account might've been linking me, but even finding them by typing their names into my fake account's search bar gave the same results. Weird!

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    1. wow just noticed the same thing. Checked people I knew would never look at my profile and never interacted with and same results.

      My top 9 however is still featuring my ex, and much more believable then my real accounts top 9...... hm i dont know what to think haha

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  95. Anyone have any opinions on the "poke suggestions" that FB gives us? (check "Apps" on left side of newsfeed page)

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    1. Huh! I've never seen that before! Of the five that are suggested for me, three are acquaintances, one is a mid-grade friend, and one is someone I've been stalking. Hm. Maybe they're mixing in randoms with our stalkees?

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    2. I know it's interesting! I never considered checking that until yesterday so I don't have any real ideas on what might be going on. Checking it again this morning and there is no change to this list. As I refresh it seems to have about 15 or 16 friends swapping out. Three of my "poke friends" I've known have liked me for a long while but never have shown up in my top 20. I never stalk their pages. One of my "pokes" I really like and visit their page every day. Two more of my pokes I "stalk" for control purposes and have no real stalking interest in them only that they were at the bottom of my Top 20 and I wanted to see if I could move them to the top by page and pics views alone. They never did move into my Top 20 after 2 months of this but now appear on my poke suggestions.

      Chris

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    3. I should add that one of the poke peeps in my list is a person that I know for sure stalks my page and is always in my Top 20. I am never on his page but he likes and comments on mine.

      Chris

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    4. Interesting to think to look at pokes. Went and just checked it out and one of mine is someone that recently added me as a friend, the other is a family member I talk to often, and the other three are completely random and I never interact with them (and aren't stalking me).

      So I am going to keep an eye out on this and see if I accept a new friend request if they take a spot.

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    5. Don't forget to refresh a few times. It should cycle through about a dozen or so poke friends.

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    6. Just went and refreshed a couple times and found it interesting. It seems that every time I refresh, there is one person on each list that I know stalks me and visits my page a lot but doesnt actually write anything (they tell me or we have been testing it etc.) Then there is also one person I USED to be very close with (old best friends that we would constantly interact with on facebook but havent had any interaction in at least a year or longer) then everyone else seems to be randoms.

      When refreshing, my ex once again is shown and seems to be the one who is stalking me spot.

      So now when looking on a dummy account on another computer he is in my top 9, top 20, and now on my real account is in my poke group.

      Interesting. ......

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    7. I'm thinking a few of the poke people might be our stalkers that we don't stalk back ... and they rarely like or comment on our stuff. "Shy stalkers" that we dont' mutually stalk?

      Chris

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    8. Chris as of right now I agree with that.

      Facebook gives me 4/5 pokes on each refresh.
      1.) Old Friend (used to interact with A LOT)
      2.) Random
      3.) One of the top people I interact with.
      4.) Shy Stalker
      5.) Random

      Each refresh I see people that would fit in each category

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    9. Oooh this is fun!

      1) random
      2) medium mutual interaction friend
      3) Top 20 guy I page visit every day. Can't help it. :)
      4) Shy stalker
      5) Shy stalker

      Chris

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  96. FB is the matchmaker of the digital age. :)

    Chris

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